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Lescott + more
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bluebean said:moomba said:Darker shade of Blue said:One big point many seem to not take into consideration is that Lescott is very possibly the future of Englands defence .
Must admit I haven't taken that into consideration at all.
The fact that he'll never (IMO) be more than a fringe England squad member may hae something to do with that. We already have two defenders that (again IMO) are more likely to be considered the future of Englands defence than Lescott.
agreed!
I can think of Ned- probably agree - and Bridge - poss SWP as a wing back? - is that who is meant - please do not tell me anyone here meant Micah - I could not take any more of that bollocks based on a short spell 2 years ago when he flattered for a couple of months and could be arsed to make some effort
Lescott would add a lot of solidity to the back line - he could also keep the likes of Richards behind after training and teach them how to head a ball - read plays - pass etc
Braggster
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Lescott is what he is - a very solid left-footed centre half (quite a rare commodity) who was part of a centre back pairing that conceded 13 less goals than us last season - essentially the difference between us and Everton.
He would improve us, a lot. However is he the future of England's defence? No. Onuoha and Richards may be - one is more likely to get there than the other IMO - but they both still have a long way to go, and it's not certain by any means that even one of them will get there. That's young players for you, there are no guarantees.
He would improve us, a lot. However is he the future of England's defence? No. Onuoha and Richards may be - one is more likely to get there than the other IMO - but they both still have a long way to go, and it's not certain by any means that even one of them will get there. That's young players for you, there are no guarantees.
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Johnny_on said:Yep its gonna be a crazy summer... All these possible deals have knock on effects... if City buy Lescott, Everton then buy two 8 million pound players, those clubs get the money and they spend it....
As theres a few Evertonians around, what is your honest assessment of this lad???? What he like week in week out and is he better at LB or CB???
Week in week out he's excellent. He's a centre back and can fill in at left back. He's doesn't really like playing left back and is no where near as good there as a CB.
Whenever he's played for England he's looked a bit nervous and less composed then when he plays for us. I think this is down to a lack of experience more then anything, he's got the talent to play for England, but I think the fact he was only playing in the championship 3 years ago and his subsequient meteoric (if you like) rise has made him look nervy at international level.
For Everton he's cool, composed, brings the ball out of defence and distributes it well. He's prone to the odd hoof too admitedly but I think thats partly down to Moyes rather then the players preference.
He's strong in the air, puts his body on the line for the cause, has good positional sense and seems to communicate well, he's also extremely strong physically and quick.
He does have the odd sticky patch but it doesn't last long, and once he returns to form he really is a beast of a player.
I think he's probs 2 or 3 years away from his prime as well. Take the goal Drogba scored against him in the FA Cup final, it was unusual for him to get caught out like that, but again the lack of experience in that type of match affected him I think.
So an honest assessment would be:
Premier League - Outstanding defender
International - Nervy but has potential
Really Big Games - Maybe a bit naive at present
mcfc1632 said:please do not tell me anyone here meant Micah - I could not take any more of that bollocks based on a short spell 2 years ago when he flattered for a couple of months and could be arsed to make some effort
Absolutely meant Micah.
Not saying that he will one day be considered the future of Englands defence, but there is more chance of that happening than Lescott IMO.
And 1 bad year doesn't change that fact for me.
bluebean
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moomba said:mcfc1632 said:please do not tell me anyone here meant Micah - I could not take any more of that bollocks based on a short spell 2 years ago when he flattered for a couple of months and could be arsed to make some effort
Absolutely meant Micah.
Not saying that he will one day be considered the future of Englands defence, but there is more chance of that happening than Lescott IMO.
And 1 bad year doesn't change that fact for me.
again exactly right...
micah has been written off from one bad season and he is still a young lad! and still learning the game at the HIGHEST level! i think micah will come good again next season!
Neville Kneville
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moomba said:mcfc1632 said:please do not tell me anyone here meant Micah - I could not take any more of that bollocks based on a short spell 2 years ago when he flattered for a couple of months and could be arsed to make some effort
Absolutely meant Micah.
Not saying that he will one day be considered the future of Englands defence, but there is more chance of that happening than Lescott IMO.
And 1 bad year doesn't change that fact for me.
Hopefully it is just a bad season & he comes through it because he certainly has the ability to be one of the best defenders around if he puts the work in. This is a big season for him coming up where he may get the opportunity to work on his game & improve as part of a top squad rather than having to play when his form is poor.
ToffeeAndy said:Johnny_on said:Yep its gonna be a crazy summer... All these possible deals have knock on effects... if City buy Lescott, Everton then buy two 8 million pound players, those clubs get the money and they spend it....
As theres a few Evertonians around, what is your honest assessment of this lad???? What he like week in week out and is he better at LB or CB???
Week in week out he's excellent. He's a centre back and can fill in at left back. He's doesn't really like playing left back and is no where near as good there as a CB.
Whenever he's played for England he's looked a bit nervous and less composed then when he plays for us. I think this is down to a lack of experience more then anything, he's got the talent to play for England, but I think the fact he was only playing in the championship 3 years ago and his subsequient meteoric (if you like) rise has made him look nervy at international level.
For Everton he's cool, composed, brings the ball out of defence and distributes it well. He's prone to the odd hoof too admitedly but I think thats partly down to Moyes rather then the players preference.
He's strong in the air, puts his body on the line for the cause, has good positional sense and seems to communicate well, he's also extremely strong physically and quick.
He does have the odd sticky patch but it doesn't last long, and once he returns to form he really is a beast of a player.
I think he's probs 2 or 3 years away from his prime as well. Take the goal Drogba scored against him in the FA Cup final, it was unusual for him to get caught out like that, but again the lack of experience in that type of match affected him I think.
So an honest assessment would be:
Premier League - Outstanding defender
International - Nervy but has potential
Really Big Games - Maybe a bit naive at present
Good objective summary - thanks and apologies for any references you read from fellow blues comparing Micah positively against Lescott - we have had no good times for so long that I plead in mitigation that we still tend to live in the past glories - and in Micah's case this was a very small window when he looked teriffic - it allows us to ignore the fact that he was totally exposed at CB last season and was a shambles most of the time at RB - just a couple of 50% performances towards the end when he was probably for the 1st time starting to worry about his god given right to a 1st team place.
Thankfully we do not need to limp along with him anymore and I expect Johnson (or someone else) to be in with Zab as the back-up and Richards on loan
bluebean said:moomba said:mcfc1632 said:please do not tell me anyone here meant Micah - I could not take any more of that bollocks based on a short spell 2 years ago when he flattered for a couple of months and could be arsed to make some effort
Absolutely meant Micah.
Not saying that he will one day be considered the future of Englands defence, but there is more chance of that happening than Lescott IMO.
And 1 bad year doesn't change that fact for me.
again exactly right...
micah has been written off from one bad season and he is still a young lad! and still learning the game at the HIGHEST level! i think micah will come good again next season!
yea, maybe. but probably at another PL club.
Neville Kneville said:moomba said:mcfc1632 said:please do not tell me anyone here meant Micah - I could not take any more of that bollocks based on a short spell 2 years ago when he flattered for a couple of months and could be arsed to make some effort
Absolutely meant Micah.
Not saying that he will one day be considered the future of Englands defence, but there is more chance of that happening than Lescott IMO.
And 1 bad year doesn't change that fact for me.
Hopefully it is just a bad season & he comes through it because he certainly has the ability to be one of the best defenders around if he puts the work in. This is a big season for him coming up where he may get the opportunity to work on his game & improve as part of a top squad rather than having to play when his form is poor.
I generally agree - so long as he improves from the position of a squad player.
His opportunity to be a 1st choice player was given to him last season and he totally flopped.
If CITY are to progress as we (and the Sheik) hope ten we cannot continue with any player (not just Micah) playing as a 1st choice in the hope that he might eventually find some form - just not place for that type of sentiment