Liverpool away - Hillsborough tribute

[Salford_Blue]

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96, say it again, 96 football fans died in horrific circumstances and were then blamed for the event.
The authorities lied, proven to lie and covered up to disguise their culpability in the deaths of those 96 and as far as I'm concerned Liverpool can mourn this every fecking week and I would support them.
It's what a decent club do for their fans and community.
A moment to think on every year is absolutely nothing compared to the loss of the families of the 96. Justice for the 96 indeed.

Exactly mate.

Human lives have been lost.
This goes way beyond football rivalry.
Why would anyone not want to mourn the deaths of people who dies in such tragic circumstances?

Good post by the way

 

[Ian]

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We were in Liverpool the other week at the passport office, so had a few hours to spare whilst waiting for the collection. We went to Anfield to show my son (17) the Hillsborough Memorial. I explained what had happened and had tears in my eyes as I thought of those fans that went to a game of football never to come home.
A true tragedy and the Government and Police attempted to blame the innocent. There's a reason we seem to play Liverpool around the time of the anniversary and the other lot don't, R.I.P the 96 and Justice for the 96.

Seem to remember the Rags playing them around this time a couple of years ago. If I remember right, they behaved for the ceremony and then sang their filthy bile while they were kept in at the end!

 

[Balti]

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respect where its due and then play the scousers off the park

 

[GeekinGav]

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used to work at Hillsborough when I was a student .... the stand always had an haunting silence when it was empty.

I have no doubt that all City fans will honour and respect the occassion.

 

[whp.blue]

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I would not wish anyone to show disrespect for the 96 or their families but there is an elephant in the room regarding Hillsborough

Justice for the 96 should mean that everyone who played a part in this tragic disaster should be brought to answer and the whole drive has been to get the South Yorkshire police to admit they were are fault and they were

however there has never been the same drive to bring into question the thousands of Liverpool fans who turned up without tickets with the sole intention of jibbing in

their part in this disaster is probably more pivotal than a misjudgments by the senior police officer at Hillsborough

the police made a very very poor snap judgement only minutes to consider their actions and responses

the fans who traveled without tickets had days or weeks to consider their actions

No one should die at a football match but no one should be immune from criticism or prosecution for their part in the tragedy

this is one of the points about this disaster that no none ever like to discuss and by raising it I mean no disrespect to the dead or their families however it was the actions of some of Liverpool's own fans who contributed to the deaths of the fans who were killed and not solely the police

I would also like to add by by saying this I do not condone or defend the atrocious actions and lies of the police after the event

Everyone who played a part in this tragedy should be prospected whether they were a serving police officer or a fan without a ticket who jibbed in

However all these years later to my knowledge not one fan has ever come forward and said sorry I jibbed in that day and I feel partially responsible until this is rectified the whole campaign is slightly tarnished by bias

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

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I would not wish anyone to show disrespect for the 96 or their families but there is an elephant in the room regarding Hillsborough

Justice for the 96 should mean that everyone who played a part in this tragic disaster should be brought to answer and the whole drive has been to get the South Yorkshire police to admit they were are fault and they were

however there has never been the same drive to bring into question the thousands of Liverpool fans who turned up without tickets with the sole intention of jibbing in

their part in this disaster is probably more pivotal than a misjudgments by the senior police officer at Hillsborough

the police made a very very poor snap judgement only minutes to consider their actions and responses

the fans who traveled without tickets had days or weeks to consider their actions

No one should die at a football match but no one should be immune from criticism or prosecution for their part in the tragedy

this is one of the points about this disaster that no none ever like to discuss and by raising it I mean no disrespect to the dead or their families however it was the actions of some of Liverpool's own fans who contributed to the deaths of the fans who were killed and not solely the police

I would also like to add by by saying this I do not condone or defend the atrocious actions and lies of the police after the event

Your conclusions are wholly wrong and seem to be based on the bit I have highlighted.

You fail to grasp the purpose and role of public services in scenarios such as these. Emergency services are funded by the public purse and are charged with making plans and provisions to try and prevent and/or respond to disasters.

A mass gathering of around 50,000 people mainly coming up the M1 and across the Pennines is a scenario which would, or rather should, have been provided for. Included in this should have been plans for a number of given scenarios including fans turning up late, being pissed and jibbing in. This duty was, in my opinion, further accentuated by virtue of the fact that these problems had arisen in previous years, providing the police of evidence of the existence of these potential problems, as well as a degree of experience that they could and should have drawn upon in relation to dealing with them.

The Police have power bestowed upon them to act in ways that ordinary citizens can't, especially when large crowds gather together. This is partly for reasons of maintaining social order, but also to provide protection for those people from themselves and each other. With those powers comes a responsibility on the Polic to coordinate their efforts to purposefully reduce the likelihood of any foreseeable event occurring. Based on the evidence at their disposal this event was foreseeable and therefore preventable.

The fact that some fans behaved in the way they did should be of no surprise to anyone who's been attending football for any length of time. People in public office were tasked with managing a completely predictable and foreseeable turn of events. The fact that officers on the ground only had a few moments to respond shouldn't have arisen.

That is the point of risk management. Next to nothing should come as a surprise.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

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We were in Liverpool the other week at the passport office, so had a few hours to spare whilst waiting for the collection. We went to Anfield to show my son (17) the Hillsborough Memorial. I explained what had happened and had tears in my eyes as I thought of those fans that went to a game of football never to come home.
A true tragedy and the Government and Police attempted to blame the innocent. There's a reason we seem to play Liverpool around the time of the anniversary and the other lot don't, R.I.P the 96 and Justice for the 96.

Seem to remember the Rags playing them around this time a couple of years ago. If I remember right, they behaved for the ceremony and then sang their filthy bile while they were kept in at the end!

Two wrongs don't make a right but some Scousers had been taunting the rags with stuff about Munich at that game.

 

[Dribble]

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I would not wish anyone to show disrespect for the 96 or their families but there is an elephant in the room regarding Hillsborough

Justice for the 96 should mean that everyone who played a part in this tragic disaster should be brought to answer and the whole drive has been to get the South Yorkshire police to admit they were are fault and they were

however there has never been the same drive to bring into question the thousands of Liverpool fans who turned up without tickets with the sole intention of jibbing in

their part in this disaster is probably more pivotal than a misjudgments by the senior police officer at Hillsborough

the police made a very very poor snap judgement only minutes to consider their actions and responses

the fans who traveled without tickets had days or weeks to consider their actions

No one should die at a football match but no one should be immune from criticism or prosecution for their part in the tragedy

this is one of the points about this disaster that no none ever like to discuss and by raising it I mean no disrespect to the dead or their families however it was the actions of some of Liverpool's own fans who contributed to the deaths of the fans who were killed and not solely the police

I would also like to add by by saying this I do not condone or defend the atrocious actions and lies of the police after the event

Your conclusions are wholly wrong and seem to be based on the bit I have highlighted.

You fail to grasp the purpose and role of public services in scenarios such as these. Emergency services are funded by the public purse and are charged with making plans and provisions to try and prevent and/or respond to disasters.

A mass gathering of around 50,000 people mainly coming up the M1 and across the Pennines is a scenario which would, or rather should, have been provided for. Included in this should have been plans for a number of given scenarios including fans turning up late, being pissed and jibbing in. This duty was, in my opinion, further accentuated by virtue of the fact that these problems had arisen in previous years, providing the police of evidence of the existence of these potential problems, as well as a degree of experience that they could and should have drawn upon in relation to dealing with them.

The Police have power bestowed upon them to act in ways that ordinary citizens can't, especially when large crowds gather together. This is partly for reasons of maintaining social order, but also to provide protection for those people from themselves and each other. With those powers comes a responsibility on the Polic to coordinate their efforts to purposefully reduce the likelihood of any foreseeable event occurring. Based on the evidence at their disposal this event was foreseeable and therefore preventable.

The fact that some fans behaved in the way they did should be of no surprise to anyone who's been attending football for any length of time. People in public office were tasked with managing a completely predictable and foreseeable turn of events. The fact that officers on the ground only had a few moments to respond shouldn't have arisen.

That is the point of risk management. Next to nothing should come as a surprise.

100% This

It is the job of the police to anticipate and manage crime & disorder. Human's will be human's and sometimes need to be protected from themselves as they should have been at Hillsborough of that fateful day.

 

[whp.blue]

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I would not wish anyone to show disrespect for the 96 or their families but there is an elephant in the room regarding Hillsborough

Justice for the 96 should mean that everyone who played a part in this tragic disaster should be brought to answer and the whole drive has been to get the South Yorkshire police to admit they were are fault and they were

however there has never been the same drive to bring into question the thousands of Liverpool fans who turned up without tickets with the sole intention of jibbing in

their part in this disaster is probably more pivotal than a misjudgments by the senior police officer at Hillsborough

the police made a very very poor snap judgement only minutes to consider their actions and responses

the fans who traveled without tickets had days or weeks to consider their actions

No one should die at a football match but no one should be immune from criticism or prosecution for their part in the tragedy

this is one of the points about this disaster that no none ever like to discuss and by raising it I mean no disrespect to the dead or their families however it was the actions of some of Liverpool's own fans who contributed to the deaths of the fans who were killed and not solely the police

I would also like to add by by saying this I do not condone or defend the atrocious actions and lies of the police after the event

Your conclusions are wholly wrong and seem to be based on the bit I have highlighted.

You fail to grasp the purpose and role of public services in scenarios such as these. Emergency services are funded by the public purse and are charged with making plans and provisions to try and prevent and/or respond to disasters.

A mass gathering of around 50,000 people mainly coming up the M1 and across the Pennines is a scenario which would, or rather should, have been provided for. Included in this should have been plans for a number of given scenarios including fans turning up late, being pissed and jibbing in. This duty was, in my opinion, further accentuated by virtue of the fact that these problems had arisen in previous years, providing the police of evidence of the existence of these potential problems, as well as a degree of experience that they could and should have drawn upon in relation to dealing with them.

The Police have power bestowed upon them to act in ways that ordinary citizens can't, especially when large crowds gather together. This is partly for reasons of maintaining social order, but also to provide protection for those people from themselves and each other. With those powers comes a responsibility on the Polic to coordinate their efforts to purposefully reduce the likelihood of any foreseeable event occurring. Based on the evidence at their disposal this event was foreseeable and therefore preventable.

The fact that some fans behaved in the way they did should be of no surprise to anyone who's been attending football for any length of time. People in public office were tasked with managing a completely predictable and foreseeable turn of events. The fact that officers on the ground only had a few moments to respond shouldn't have arisen.

That is the point of risk management. Next to nothing should come as a surprise.

100% This

It is the job of the police to anticipate and manage crime & disorder. Human's will be human's and sometimes need to be protected from themselves as they should have been at Hillsborough of that fateful day.

Utter bollocks

That's like saying police know there are psychopaths who murder people so they should be able to anticipate every murder

So because the Police failed that means that the fans have nothing to answer?

as I said

The Police failed that contributed to the 96 deaths so should be held responsible for their actions

The fans without tickets contributed to the 96 deaths should also be held responsible for their actions

 

[Brendan110_0]

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Your conclusions are wholly wrong and seem to be based on the bit I have highlighted.

You fail to grasp the purpose and role of public services in scenarios such as these. Emergency services are funded by the public purse and are charged with making plans and provisions to try and prevent and/or respond to disasters.

A mass gathering of around 50,000 people mainly coming up the M1 and across the Pennines is a scenario which would, or rather should, have been provided for. Included in this should have been plans for a number of given scenarios including fans turning up late, being pissed and jibbing in. This duty was, in my opinion, further accentuated by virtue of the fact that these problems had arisen in previous years, providing the police of evidence of the existence of these potential problems, as well as a degree of experience that they could and should have drawn upon in relation to dealing with them.

The Police have power bestowed upon them to act in ways that ordinary citizens can't, especially when large crowds gather together. This is partly for reasons of maintaining social order, but also to provide protection for those people from themselves and each other. With those powers comes a responsibility on the Polic to coordinate their efforts to purposefully reduce the likelihood of any foreseeable event occurring. Based on the evidence at their disposal this event was foreseeable and therefore preventable.

The fact that some fans behaved in the way they did should be of no surprise to anyone who's been attending football for any length of time. People in public office were tasked with managing a completely predictable and foreseeable turn of events. The fact that officers on the ground only had a few moments to respond shouldn't have arisen.

That is the point of risk management. Next to nothing should come as a surprise.

100% This

It is the job of the police to anticipate and manage crime & disorder. Human's will be human's and sometimes need to be protected from themselves as they should have been at Hillsborough of that fateful day.

Utter bollocks

That's like saying police know there are psychopaths who murder people so they should be able to anticipate every murder

So because the Police failed that means that the fans have nothing to answer?

as I said

The Police failed that contributed to the 96 deaths so should be held responsible for their actions

The fans without tickets contributed to the 96 deaths should also be held responsible for their actions

You need to stop perpetuating that myth - the fans had tickets, this was exploded all over the news last year - and they were not drunk.