If the police knew where the psychopath's were, well yes they should anticipate, just like they knew there was a better than evens chance that hundreds of additional fans may turn up unannounced.whp.blue said:Dribble said:100% Thisgordondaviesmoustache said:Your conclusions are wholly wrong and seem to be based on the bit I have highlighted.
You fail to grasp the purpose and role of public services in scenarios such as these. Emergency services are funded by the public purse and are charged with making plans and provisions to try and prevent and/or respond to disasters.
A mass gathering of around 50,000 people mainly coming up the M1 and across the Pennines is a scenario which would, or rather should, have been provided for. Included in this should have been plans for a number of given scenarios including fans turning up late, being pissed and jibbing in. This duty was, in my opinion, further accentuated by virtue of the fact that these problems had arisen in previous years, providing the police of evidence of the existence of these potential problems, as well as a degree of experience that they could and should have drawn upon in relation to dealing with them.
The Police have power bestowed upon them to act in ways that ordinary citizens can't, especially when large crowds gather together. This is partly for reasons of maintaining social order, but also to provide protection for those people from themselves and each other. With those powers comes a responsibility on the Polic to coordinate their efforts to purposefully reduce the likelihood of any foreseeable event occurring. Based on the evidence at their disposal this event was foreseeable and therefore preventable.
The fact that some fans behaved in the way they did should be of no surprise to anyone who's been attending football for any length of time. People in public office were tasked with managing a completely predictable and foreseeable turn of events. The fact that officers on the ground only had a few moments to respond shouldn't have arisen.
That is the point of risk management. Next to nothing should come as a surprise.
It is the job of the police to anticipate and manage crime & disorder. Human's will be human's and sometimes need to be protected from themselves as they should have been at Hillsborough of that fateful day.
Utter bollocks
That's like saying police know there are psychopaths who murder people so they should be able to anticipate every murder
So because the Police failed that means that the fans have nothing to answer?
as I said
The Police failed that contributed to the 96 deaths so should be held responsible for their actions
The fans without tickets contributed to the 96 deaths should also be held responsible for their actions
You are an idiot. An utter and complete idiot. You clearly don't have a clue and just continue to spout the shite that The Sun put out without any concept of the facts.whp.blue said:The fans without tickets contributed to the 96 deaths should also be held responsible for their actions
153. Consistent with Lord Justice Taylor’s findings, the Panel found no evidence among the vast number of disclosed documents and many hours of video material to verify the serious allegations of exceptional levels of drunkenness, ticketlessness or violence among Liverpool fans.
No, it's like saying the police are aware that a particular psychopath could strike at a particular time and place and do nothing to prevent it. Then they are culpable.whp.blue said:That's like saying police know there are psychopaths who murder people so they should be able to anticipate every murder
Prestwich_Blue said:You are an idiot. An utter and complete idiot. You clearly don't have a clue and just continue to spout the shite that The Sun put out without any concept of the facts.whp.blue said:The fans without tickets contributed to the 96 deaths should also be held responsible for their actions
The Taylor Report was quite clear that ticketless fans were not a factor in the disaster. CCTV and other evidence proved that the number of people in the ground more or less matched the number of tickets sold. The capacity of the Leppings Lane Stand was 10,100. Three estimates were made by the HSE of the crowd in the stand, which ranged from 9,267 to 10,124. So at most, the stand might have been 24 people over capacity.
Here's what the Hillsborough Independent Panel said:
153. Consistent with Lord Justice Taylor’s findings, the Panel found no evidence among the vast number of disclosed documents and many hours of video material to verify the serious allegations of exceptional levels of drunkenness, ticketlessness or violence among Liverpool fans.
But of course you know better.
oldhamblue said:Can we have a separate threads for the Liverpool away match please mods?