About 1.6 M I think.
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Liverpool bus damaged on journey back from Etihad Stadium today
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jimmygrimblesboots
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Perhaps give Bluemoon a swerve for a while , give us all some respite.What question, I’ve been sent about 200 today
Perhaps each individual fan has their own reason for singing it. I know why I sing it and it has nothing to do with Hillsborough.The Mané game was 4/5 years after the song goes mainstream and starts getting criticised for being about Hillsborough.
You can’t adopt another club’s song 5 years after it’s written and claim everyone who has been condemning the song for years is wrong and actually you’ve decided it means something else.
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cheekybids
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And Munich is a city of 6m people founded in the 12th century but if you sing songs about Munich to United fans we all know what you’re referencing.
No one is claiming they have unique ownership of the word victim, but if you start singing a song about Liverpool fans that becomes popular when it’s sung 3 days after the independent hillsborough inquiry ruled that the people who died were victims and not accidental deaths, then you’re not kidding anyone.
The Mané game was 4/5 years after the song goes mainstream and starts getting criticised for being about Hillsborough.
You can’t adopt another club’s song 5 years after it’s written and claim everyone who has been condemning the song for years is wrong and actually you’ve decided it means something else.
Why can’t you?
Rags sang it about the Evra incident (built on the attitude always the victim never their fault)
@Chris in London just explained the Ederson incident (built on the attitude always the victim never their fault)
I gave an example of Shields campaign (built on the attitude always the victim never their fault)
On Saturday it was immediately as their players surrounded the ref having got away with 4 or 5 fouls wanting Rodri sent off.
I didn't include that because whilst it is believed by most, I could not state it as a fact. The fact the the Labouur Home Secretary could be so weak is a disgrace that shamed his party.It also showed the clubs 2 assets, intimidation & lobbying.
They threatened to withdraw support from a labour stronghold, sounds like blackmail, it was. Free Shields or lose the upcoming election.
To this day, Straw has never revealed what 'evidence' he had to order the Queens Pardon. He cant because there wasn't any. The Liverpool fans were so powerful they could get a guilty man freed.
Perhaps each individual fan has their own reason for singing it. I know why I sing it and it has nothing to do with Hillsborough.
It was sung at City, for the first time so far as I know, as an immediate and direct response to an incident that involved LFC fans booing a player for (as they apparently perceived it) getting one of their team sent off when the reality of the situation was that Ederson had just been very seriously injured by Mane, hence the stretcher, the oxygen mask etc.
The words of the song 'always the victim, its never your fault' were a direct response to that and only that. How often before had that song been sung by City? Never, seems to be the answer. If it was a reference to Hillsborough, choosing to sing it for the first time just then would be particularly perverse, not least given the impeccable attitude demonstrated by City fans at Anfield on the 25th anniversary of Hillsborough itself.
So how dare you assume you have the right to pontificate on what any City fan meant, or should be taken to have meant, or should sing, or should be taken to have intended when they sang it? How dare you tell any City fan that was pissed off by that attitude what they can and cannot sing?
I can, and do, claim to know what was going through the minds of the City crowd on that particular day because I was part of it. No matter who sang it before, no matter what was going through their minds, I can claim it meant something different when we sang it that day because it did mean something different. Can you claim to know what the crowd that day meant by that song?
On that note, who first sang 'City's going down with a billion in the bank'? Clue: it wasn't us, it was a team that plays in red not many miles away. And that song, just like always the victims, means something very different when we sing it.
Your entire argument is that everyone else should forget the long publicised history of the song being associated with Hillsborough before 2017 because you decided to sing it for another reason and anyone who doesn't understand your top secret new meaning behind the song is out of order.
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Yes we can, and we did, and we did it because it related to them booing our player being stretchered off because the tackle resulted in them having a man sent off to which they moaned about despite him studding him in the face six feet in the air.The Mané game was 4/5 years after the song goes mainstream and starts getting criticised for being about Hillsborough.
You can’t adopt another club’s song 5 years after it’s written and claim everyone who has been condemning the song for years is wrong and actually you’ve decided it means something else.
It related to that incident at that moment and nowt else. Just because another set of fans sang the same words on another occasion is neither here nor there.
cheekybids
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I didn't include that because whilst it is believed by most, I could not state it as a fact. The fact the the Labouur Home Secretary could be so weak is a disgrace that shamed his party.
To this day, Straw has never revealed what 'evidence' he had to order the Queens Pardon. He cant because there wasn't any. The Liverpool fans were so powerful they could get a guilty man freed.
It’s what they do, look at the club. They threaten & lobby using their influence of being major contributors of the prem leagues wealth.
Then they use their influence over the media. They are cunts.
City about 1.5 millionAbout 1.6 M I think.
Urban area about 2.6 million
City about 1.5 million
Urban area about 2.6 million
Metro area 5.9 million. it was just the first number I saw it's really not that important.