Liverpool bus damaged on journey back from Etihad Stadium today

jackl31 said:
Why do you think Hillsborough gets more coverage than Heysel? Genuinely want to get your honest answer
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Why do you think Hillsborough gets hugely more coverage than Bradford? They both involved tragic loss of life cause by the negligence of the authorities.
 
mexico1970 said:
The real question would be why does Hillsborough get more coverage than lets say the Bradford fire? Do we have wall to wall coverage of the Zebrugge disaster or the Aberfan horror?? No we don't now why is that?

Together with the Munich air crash both the rags and scousers have monetised their tragedies in an almost religious sense, they are in fact untouchable and when they claim that they have been offended then they must have been offended.

The scousers have welded Hillsborough onto the Heysel incident to prevent other fans from reminding the feral scum where their moral compass lies.
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Okay let's try this question then. Why do you think Hillsborough gets more coverage than the Bradford fire?

Also to say the Munich air crash has been monetised is a pretty awful thing to suggest. Especially as one of the victims was an ex City player. I will never understand why some of our fanbase think it's okay to use the Munich air disaster as a stick to beat United fans with
 
jackl31 said:
Okay let's try this question then. Why do you think Hillsborough gets more coverage than the Bradford fire?

Also to say the Munich air crash has been monetised is a pretty awful thing to suggest. Especially as one of the victims was an ex City player. I will never understand why some of our fanbase think it's okay to use the Munich air disaster as a stick to beat United fans with
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No it isn't because it's true, the rags have monetised it constantly. You seem to be totally ignoring the obvious so you can try to lay out a narrative.

It wont work.
 
Metalartin said:
It's the attitude of the fanbase that is enabled by the pandering of the press, they are hand in hand. I think you're being a bit disingenuous about this. That whole fanbase is treated differently than pretty much any other club's IMO. I've already said I'm not in favour of chants about it but I don't think we should forget all about it just because some people were charged either.
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Not once have I suggested it should be forgotten about. I agree there is a media bias towards Liverpool in general but I think that is more to do with the fact that pundits/presenters have been disproportionately ex Liverpool players or fans.
 
jackl31 said:
Okay let's try this question then. Why do you think Hillsborough gets more coverage than the Bradford fire?

Also to say the Munich air crash has been monetised is a pretty awful thing to suggest. Especially as one of the victims was an ex City player. I will never understand why some of our fanbase think it's okay to use the Munich air disaster as a stick to beat United fans with
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Munich has been hugely monetised by united. To suggest it hasn’t is hugely naive.
 
Metalartin said:
I think a few might answer: How about some accountability for a fanbase that is brown nosed and pandered to by the UK press and sports broadcasters? How about the damage that the consequences of their actions caused to english football in the 80s is acknowledged(should they be lauded and pandered to as a fanbase to the extent they are?), instead of that club and their fanbase being held up as something they are not all the time? Like they've only ever been a good example for English football.

Most of this was before I was following football, but if they really were saying it was Chelsea fans and acting like they were hard done by. While other english clubs and fans(the whole league were set back by this) were tarnished and punished along with them, then it's understandable where their reputation comes from.
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"While other english clubs and fans(the whole league were set back by this) were tarnished and punished along with them"

I'm in my 60's so lived through all of this. Believe me, that was just the straw that broke the camels back. It wasn't just Liverpool fans who were total arseholes back in the day and some of them still follow England at least today.
 
mexico1970 said:
No it isn't because it's true, the rags have monetised it constantly. You seem to be totally ignoring the obvious so you can try to lay out a narrative.

It wont work.
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Please give an example of when this tragedy has been monetised
 
mexico1970 said:
Maybe the same or equal coverage of the Bradford fire and the Heysel killings as Hillsborough gets would start the ball rolling.
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The Bradford tragedy and the Heysel tragedy weren't covered up by the authorities or reported on like The Sun did at Hillsborough. Sorry, but there's no comparison, blame the higher ups for that.
 
jackl31 said:
Not once have I suggested it should be forgotten about. I agree there is a media bias towards Liverpool in general but I think that is more to do with the fact that pundits/presenters have been disproportionately ex Liverpool players or fans.
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There's an element of that because of their size but it goes deeper than that because United and Arsenal have that too.
 
jackl31 said:
Okay let's try this question then. Why do you think Hillsborough gets more coverage than the Bradford fire?

Also to say the Munich air crash has been monetised is a pretty awful thing to suggest. Especially as one of the victims was an ex City player. I will never understand why some of our fanbase think it's okay to use the Munich air disaster as a stick to beat United fans with
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If you don’t think the rags have monetised Munich then you’re delusional
 
Metalartin said:
It's the attitude of the fanbase that is enabled by the pandering of the press, they are hand in hand. I think you're being a bit disingenuous about this. That whole fanbase is treated differently than pretty much any other club's IMO. I've already said I'm not in favour of chants about it but I don't think we should forget all about it just because some people were charged either.
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When they booed the National Anthem, there was little condemnation in the media, but there were plenty of articles justifying their stance. Yet no one asked why, if it was supposedly a reaction to their perceived mistreatment by the establishment, Everton fans didn't do it, who have more local support than Liverpool do. Or the fans of clubs among the devastated former mining communities of Yorkshire and the North-East. Can you imagine the reaction if we'd done it?

We were denied a minute's silence to commemorate the Queen's passing at PL games because the authorities were terrified of these cunts booing it and the shitstorm it would bring.
 
Centurions said:
The Bradford tragedy and the Heysel tragedy weren't covered up by the authorities or reported on like The Sun did at Hillsborough. Sorry, but there's no comparison, blame the higher ups for that.
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Amazing that you have had to spell this out
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
When they booed the National Anthem, there was little condemnation in the media, but there were plenty of articles justifying their stance. Yet no one asked why, if it was supposedly a reaction to their perceived mistreatment by the establishment, Everton fans didn't do it, who have more local support than Liverpool do. Or the fans of clubs among the devastated former mining communities of Yorkshire and the North-East. Can you imagine the reaction if we'd done it?

We were denied a minute's silence to commemorate the Queen's passing at PL games because the authorities were terrified of these cunts booing it and the shitstorm it would bring.
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It's not illegal to boo a national anthem. We don't live in North Korea
 
jackl31 said:
Please give an example of when this tragedy has been monetised
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jackl31 said:
I want to see you try and answer that question
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Seeing you’re struggling to do so.

Three principal reasons, operating independently and in tandem.

Firstly because of the SYP cover up. Secondly because of the relative profile of each club. Thirdly because of the more effective PR machine of one club over the other, due to resources, connections and the foregoing profile.

Both tragedies were televised. Both were avoidable. Fire safety is no less an important national issue than crowd safety. Dying in a fire is about as bad a way to go as I can imagine.

The extent of the difference in coverage is wholly unwarranted.
 
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