Blue Smarties
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When we got a fraud for a manager.
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Liverpool Post Match Thread
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I've tried to be patient with Mangala but I get the impression that he would rather be elsewhere.that result was less about Liverpool and more about Mangala and Demichelis not being good enough
get rid
r.soleofsalford
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I am not sure that there is anything more to Klopp than press press press.
whicvh is 3x`s more that there is to pelligrini,
Walking up Alan Turing way yesterday when I saw the team. My reaction will have been the same as everyone else's. Absolutely staggered that after being more pragmatic in recent weeks (something I have complimented Pellers on) he reverted back to type.
Sagna looked all over the show. Totally understandable after the events in Paris. Tweedle dee and Tweedle dumb at centre back are just an accident waiting to happen and i thought the days of yaya in a midfield 2 in the big games were gone. Clearly not.
We still have time to put things right ". Let's hope Pellers now realises the error of his ways .
The positive for me was the performances of Delph. Thought he gave our midfield pace and lots of energy. Hope to see him and Fernandinho start in midweek.
pelligrini has actually stated he would play the same team again, old dogs and new tricks i`m afraid, lets take him to the vets at our first opportunity
I_maysveryown
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The difference between our defeat and that of madrid yesterday was that madrid got beat by the best team in their league. While we got beat by a team with firmino upfront and the likes of emre can, lucas, lovren...... Come on it gets no worse than this. Making them look like barcelona.
The time has come, injury permitting, to bring back Zabba and Clichy for a longer run in this team. Also hopefully Silva will be fit enough to return from Wednesday. I would drop Yaya and play Hart, Zabba, Ottamendi, Kompany(if fit), Clichy, Fernandinho, Delph, DeBryune, Silva,Sergio, Sterling. As our first choice team. Navas, to be first sub. Yaya would hate it but he has been very poor and apart from odd phases is a liability. Onward and upward, come on Manuel make the changes.
r.soleofsalford
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that result was less about Liverpool and more about Mangala and Demichelis not being good enough
get rid
Ota and Dinho should have started
Sterling - meh
more about the midfield for me, we were over run playing two, with yaya being one of them is suicidal
Victory Street
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Sorry if this is technically off topic but can anyone suggest a torrent site that I might get to download last night's MOTD from? Think I can face it now. Thanks.
HelloCity
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The main issue yesterday was the central back triangle of defensive players.
Demichelis, Mangala and Fernando.
Demichelis is now way past his best and hasn't played enough football since May to be thrown into a game like that. He was like a fish out of water.
Mangala obviously didn't play well. Perhaps he needs to play alongside another centre half in great form to make up for his failings.
Fernando. We never ever play well with Fernando in a midfield two. Ever. With Yaya and Fernandinho, Yaya does the ball work and Fernandinho does the leg work. You don't get any leg work at all out of Yaya and Fernando, who is completely imobile. It's not like Fernando played worse than anyone else, it's just that he doesn't offer enough. It's ok when he plays in a midfield three because he has to just get in the way, but that isn't enough in a two.
League/CL results with Fernando starting this season are 1-4L 0-0 3-1W 0-0 1-4L. That says it all.
Demichelis, Mangala and Fernando.
Demichelis is now way past his best and hasn't played enough football since May to be thrown into a game like that. He was like a fish out of water.
Mangala obviously didn't play well. Perhaps he needs to play alongside another centre half in great form to make up for his failings.
Fernando. We never ever play well with Fernando in a midfield two. Ever. With Yaya and Fernandinho, Yaya does the ball work and Fernandinho does the leg work. You don't get any leg work at all out of Yaya and Fernando, who is completely imobile. It's not like Fernando played worse than anyone else, it's just that he doesn't offer enough. It's ok when he plays in a midfield three because he has to just get in the way, but that isn't enough in a two.
League/CL results with Fernando starting this season are 1-4L 0-0 3-1W 0-0 1-4L. That says it all.
When I saw the team that MP was putting out I feared the worse.Liverpool play to overload mid-field,we had ONE midfield player + and I hate saying this but Yaya was awful,like a six foot totem pole that Liverpool could stroll pass naturally we were over run.The two Ferdies and Delf should have started.Joe Hart started the panic by racing to the East stand to kick into touch,Should have kicked it into the second level,but no it finished in the Liverpool players hands,panic run back to cover his goal.His so so slow efforts to move the ball in his possession gave 'Pool time to tighten-up on the marking,so the only option was the long hoof,and possession given away.And what is this forward then pass back ,forward pass back,'Pool given time again to close down on City players.'Pool players looked fit,sharp,good movement OFF the ball.Yes I was one of the thousands who walked out in disgust,never did v Gillingham,vQPR, or the the win at Spurs in the Cup under Keegan.The players were inept,but MP team selection was a disgrace.The least said about Martin & Mangala the better,but a better mid field they might have don better.
HelloCity
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more about the midfield for me, we were over run playing two, with yaya being one of them is suicidal
We play two most of the time in the league and one of them is usually Yaya with mostly successful results. The problem is Fernando in a two. The results with him there are shambolic. This season and last.
kas_tippler
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From world beaters to panel beaters
Christ some people are embarrassing on here. Pellegrini out ..... ok he has made a few mistakes tactically but the amount is a lot less that the decisions he has got right. Its as much the players fault as Pellegrini. People was praising him vs sevilla ( o what a great line up he got it spot on ) have a bit of loyalty and stick by the man in charge, thats how you get sustained success !!!or at the very least keep the fucking consistency with your comments.
Sorry if this is technically off topic but can anyone suggest a torrent site that I might get to download last night's MOTD from? Think I can face it now. Thanks.
You might think that.
DONT DO IT. If you seen a real life rape occur why would you be sick enough to want to watch it again?Sorry if this is technically off topic but can anyone suggest a torrent site that I might get to download last night's MOTD from? Think I can face it now. Thanks.
Blue Feather
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Confidence went out of the window once I saw Otamendi and Fernandinho were dropped to the bench, two recent best performers. I don't like how Demichelis has started two league games and both have been 4-1 thrashings where our defence is at sea, he should be gone in the summer.
If we want to progress I'm afraid MDM should have been gone LAST summer or at best played in games against anyone but the likes of a mobile team with lots of energy......like them!
delph is better than championship level ,My assessment of yesterday's game is as follows:
Poor team selection, Fernandinho and Otamendi should have played now matter how 'tired' from a luxurious flight they might be.
Pellers was tactically bummed.
i got a lot of stick in the summer for suggesting the unthinkable - that we had targeted the wrong areas. I said all along that we were in desperate need of another CM. Without Yaya (who has done nothing this season) and Fernandinho who to his credit has been great we have nothing in midfield.
Fernando and Delph are about championship level. Yesterday should be seen as a collective; wrong transfer strategy in the summer, poor management from Pellers and players off form.
And I now hope some of the know it alls on here start to realise that.
HelloCity
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Man City PL goals conceded this season with Kompany on pitch (720 mins): 1.
Man City PL goals conceded, Kompany NOT on pitch (405 mins): 11.
The 1 conceded was the one Hart dropped vs Palace as well.
Man City PL goals conceded, Kompany NOT on pitch (405 mins): 11.
The 1 conceded was the one Hart dropped vs Palace as well.
Bigger fish to fry ? Bigger than staying top of the premier league,utter utter garbage. Unfortunately the players seem to think the same, the manager certainly does.Lots of people are hurting, largely, I suspect because of having to listen to Redknapp, Carragher, Owen, Mcmanaman, Thompson, Quinn etc crowing in the media. For me, I recognise that, without days like yesterday I wouldn't have enjoyed putting them in their place quite as much as I have. And, to be honest, I've loved every second of their outrage and indignation. It really is their cup final and I don't say that lightly. They approach games against the rags with a huge inferiority complex but games against us as though we are the architects of their current lowly status. Deliciously, they are justified in that belief so I'm not surprised they burst every sinew to beat us. To his credit, Pellegrini sees the game for what it is, just another game against a mid-table side and, rightly, expected the players to turn in a competent performance sufficient to beat them. The point is, we have bigger fish to fry in midweek which, in the scheme of things, we can do and still win the league comfortably, injuries permitting.
BigJoe#1
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I know this won't be roundly supported or indeed too popular but the major issue I have with Pellegrini is his relationship with and insistence upon nearly alway playing Navas. Now don't get me wrong, Navas is an okay player in my mind but brilliant for squad purposes, he shouldn't be starting every game.
Yesterday's team, IMO was quite literally built to accommodate Navas, I won't say built around him, but it's getting close to that.
Playing Navas in the only position he could play meant we had to
1) Push Yaya back into a position we know he struggles with, he is just not good enough defensively any more.
2) To accommodate 1. we had to drop Fernandinho - absolutely ridiculous decision.
This left the back four exposed as there was inadequate cover in the DM.
Why did he not start with Fernando and Fernandinho playing behind Yaya, Sterling and DeBryne? I just cannot understand why he goes to such lengths to give someone, a thirty year old, who is good but...... a game.
The back four and not playing Otamendi can only be about his physical fitness and readiness to play having returned from Argentina last Tuesday.
If Pellegrini makes this mistake one more time my patience with him will have totally run out!
Yesterday's team, IMO was quite literally built to accommodate Navas, I won't say built around him, but it's getting close to that.
Playing Navas in the only position he could play meant we had to
1) Push Yaya back into a position we know he struggles with, he is just not good enough defensively any more.
2) To accommodate 1. we had to drop Fernandinho - absolutely ridiculous decision.
This left the back four exposed as there was inadequate cover in the DM.
Why did he not start with Fernando and Fernandinho playing behind Yaya, Sterling and DeBryne? I just cannot understand why he goes to such lengths to give someone, a thirty year old, who is good but...... a game.
The back four and not playing Otamendi can only be about his physical fitness and readiness to play having returned from Argentina last Tuesday.
If Pellegrini makes this mistake one more time my patience with him will have totally run out!