Liverpool - post match thread.

SWP's back said:
He's still been banned for 7 games this season and he's not performing well at the moment. The majority of his goals came at the start of the season and he is missing chance after chance.

That's not Pep's fault.

It's strange you can't accept that Kun isn't in great form at the moment. Although it's cute you giving a team and saying that your team would have done better than Peps. Even with hindsight it's a stretch.

There wasn't too much wrong with the set up yesterday as the second half showed. They didn't run through us or rout us. We lost due to a shite free kick and a great cross and header.
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He didnt get himself banned (maybe I'm reading something int your post that is not here but you seem to suggest its deliberate...or at least some people are suggesting this so apologies if this is not what you are suggesting) - i agree it is down to Kun but fernandihnio also got himself banned as well and was equally poor yesterday.

I do agree that Kun isn't in great form.....he didnt miss any chances yesterday as he didnt get one...he had one shot on target rom what i can remember and made one run to the near pst that then went behind him from a sterling cross that ran through to KDB (who did nothing with it either) but he has missed chances and I agree with ou he aint on top form.

The team i gave wasn't int hindsight...its one i would have gone with at the start of the week...no hindsight....this was being taken about weeks ago.....Im not sure if the cute remark is some sort of veiled insult but Ill let it go and think you are better than that.

the set up in the second half changed as we were a lot more compact all over the pitch....we played as 10 outfield players who were more closer together and moved as a unit......liverpools performance also dropped off in intensity (again people replicated this during the week) so why dint pep adapt to this as it was clear that it would happen.

You can single it down o one moment (you are not wrong in your analysis of that moment) but there are bigger issues.....at least 2 more goals should have been scored as they had break aways where a simply pass at the right time would have led to one on one with our keeper but both times the striker player strayed offside...more inexplicably than Kun actually....i wonder if the liverpool fans are saying that this player should be sold cause of it though! Its also a bigger issue as it was predictable weeks ago and keeps happening against the high intensity teams......it will happen in the reverse fixture vs liverpool and spurs unless pep changes his ways in those games (at least this season until he has the players he needs)
 
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Like everybody on here I'm here for the lifetime.

I want Pep to succeed and still believe he will albeit not this season.

But I thought before this season and still believe now that he is not the messiah. I have seen nothing yet to change my mind that Pelli is a far far superior manager than he is. As is klopp. As is conte. As is ranieri. As is Mancini. As, dare I say it, mourinho.

He is a manager who works wonders with just the right sort of circumstances. But rest assured the chips are down right now and he doesn't look motivated or interested to improve things.
 
CrownPointBlue said:
Milner was privately determined to leave but was too deceitful to publicly say so.

He fancied himself as a central midfield general...the yarkshire Xavi....and Rodgers promised him the gig.

He ran his contract down so as to get a £6M signing on fee & deny us a modest £8/9M transfer fee. He only came clean in the April.

Flopped as a midfielder,dropped to sub,played as a full back in an injury crisis & he's stuck like shit to a blanket. Clearly hates us now.
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You're painting it like he's a bad guy 'running his contract down and denying us a fee' - We denied us nothing, he fulfilled his contract. What he does now is his business, good luck to him.

We got what we wanted from him, and he got what he wanted from us, then we parted company. No complaints from me.
 
simon23 said:
He didnt get himself banned (maybe I'm reading something int your post that is not here but you seem to suggest its deliberate...or at least some people are suggesting this so apologies if this is not what you are suggesting) - i agree it is down to Kun but fernandihnio also got himself banned as well and was equally poor yesterday.

I do agree that Kun isn't in great form.....he didnt miss any chances yesterday as he didnt get one...he had one shot on target rom what i can remember and made one run to the near pst that then went behind him from a sterling cross that ran through to KDB (who did nothing with it either) but he has missed chances and I agree with ou he aint on top form.

The team i gave wasn't int hindsight...its one i would have gone with at the start of the week...no hindsight....this was being taken about weeks ago.....Im not sure if the cute remark is some sort of veiled insult but Ill let it go and think you are better than that.

the set up in the second half changed as we were a lot more compact all over the pitch....we played as 10 outfield players who were more closer together and moved as a unit......liverpools performance also dropped off in intensity (again people replicated this during the week) so why dint pep adapt to this as it was clear that it would happen.

You can single it down o one moment (you are not wrong in your analysis of that moment) but there are ****** issues.....at least 2 more goals should have been scored as they had break aways where a simply pass at the right time would have led to one on one with our keeper but both times the striker player strayed offside...more inexplicably than Kun actually....i wonder if the liverpool fans are saying that this player should be sold cause of it though! Its also a bigger issue as it was predictable weeks ago and keeps happening against the high intensity teams......it will happen in the reverse fixture vs liverpool and spurs unless pep changes his ways in those games (at least this season until he has the players he needs)
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Might want to correct a certain typo, before someone moans (it's clearly just a typo but...) (Last paragragh 'bigger issues')
 
Blue Mooner said:
I totally disagree with the notion that the team who doesn't have the ball has control of a game, but that's just my opinion.

I'm really struggling with the idea that losing control of the football is in any way a good thing. In fact, it frustrates the hell out of me when City get a goal and then go on the defensive, far sooner that you keep control of the ball and go and get the second to kill the game off.

It's small teams that get a goal up and then defend for their lives which is essentially what Liverpool did. I took that a massive complement but made the result even more frustrating as I know we are a better team than Liverpool.
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Once LFC were ahead it mad sense for them to sit deep and hit us on the counter as one on one we can't defend. If they came out and attacked us it would have left holes and we are good going forward. Getting opener was crucial. Sadly they got it. I think we have some of the bes players in the league, but we also have some very weak points in our squad which the manager can do very little about.
 
simon23 said:
Let me first be clear on something (I have said this so many times now but I just want to clarify it.....I do not want Pep gone and I said a few weeks ago regardless of results I would want him here for life)

Pep doing what he wants will be obvious but I think that could be said of any manager.

But what Pep should want is to win (Im sure he does)...but at the moment against the better opposition he isn't proving that he is the best tactician in the game.....

I don't mind the losing part but losing in a way that is some predictable even the week or so before isn't ok.

Players move on - i get that but while they are here the best manager in the world should be showing just that....getting the best out of them - and that isn't happening by a long shot

I will give you a balanced argument here so you can see I am genuine in what i say

I really dislike Kolarov as a footballer....I think he is an absolute liability and charlatan in every single way on a football pitch and have thought that since his arrival...he has never convinced me once in his whole time here whereas with Kun, Yaya, Silva, Kdb etc they are the best players I have every seen

But NONE of these players are playing anywhere near their potential ...Now with he exception of the enigma that is yaya (who has to be fair given it a real go at using his energy levels and fitness) all these players when played in the right way are capable of more....but pep due to what he wants has got them all (amongst others) under performing as part of a team....ervn ferandihnio has started to cut a very frustrated figure

so is the problem with he players of the manager.....I would say its the manager who needs to do something different....

If you can only play with a certain type of player are you really deserving of the title of best tactical manager in the world? (I know Pep hasn't given himself the this title but its what he is touted as)
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Agree with almost all of that to be honest. The one thing I would say is that I don't think most managers just do what they want. Most managers have pragmatism, they realise that they have to get the best out of what they have to some extent and winning is more or less everything. I honestly think for various reasons this isn't totally the case with Pep (and wasn't with Pellegrini either). It doesn't sit well with me but it is the way it is at City at the moment and it isn't going to change any time soon. Which is why as much as I love Sergio and Silva and some others I think I am at a point of discussing some of these great players leaving rather than kicking off that the manager isn't necessarily getting the best out of them.
 
Dax777 said:
Sorry, I read the last few pages only. Didn't read the whole thread.

I think our aging players are generally not as good as they used to be, but we don't want to see it yet.

Yaya (we all know he isn't as good as he once was)

Silva (Some of us realize he isn't what he used to be, others wait till he has a dominant game to supposedly rub it in our faces. Not realizing the joke is on them. Silva used to be good every game. Now he is good in every other 4th or 5th game.

Fernandihno: Yep even bMr Consistent is beginning to show his age. Energy Levels have dropped a notch.

Aguero: I am worried he has lost form, and he might have a hard time getting it back.

DeBryune: The inconsistent results are becoming worrying. But he has age in his side.

The fullbacks: All are 2 old.

The Captain: Is crocked and has been for 3 years running.


This is not a team challenging for titles. It's one struggling to make top 4.

The only sad part is there is no Pelegrini to blame.
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don't disagree with any of that

Kun Kdb ferna and silva all have parts to play still when played in a system that helps them or with at least for this season and next.

The energy of Gabriel Jesus will be interesting to add and his work rate could potentially have a huge impact on at least KDB silva and Aguero

If played from the left it could also hugely benefit Kolarov as well (or clichy)

but what we need are other plays in and around that can have the same levels of intensity (both full backs a central midfielder (is Ilky that?) and a centre half if Kompany cant recover to play peps way.....silva, kdb kun and ferna will all adapt and be helped by that
 
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