sofialady said:ban-mcfc said:sofialady said:i've been on here since 2009 as you can see and in that time no city fan to my knowledge has described another club in seriousness as "small time".
Not quite sure what your point there is mate. If you need explaining, it's a phrase to describe a club that does not seem destined for big things, is not one used to success. It is overshadowed constantly by other 'big time' 'famous' clubs.
gordondaviesmoustache said:ban-mcfc said:sofialady said:And in the same breath you'll say Liverpool are a small time club because they haven't finished in the top four for three years?
Look obviously to us as City fans, who will support the club even if they play in the conference league for 10 years, a 35 year drought with quite a few relegations takes nothing off the fact that to us, City are the greatest club in the world
But when my dad supports Liverpool and witnesses the absolute dominance they had over English and European football. To him, City were a small club. And it will have been to most of the other 'big four' clubs. I don't get mad about this. It's the cold hard facts of the matter. But hopefully, over the next few years we can add to our mantel piece and cement our place in European football. In fact not hopefully, i'm confident we will.
i've been on here since 2009 as you can see and in that time no city fan to my knowledge has described another club in seriousness as "small time".
Exactly. Has anyone called Liverpool a small club on this thread? Certainly not without tongue firmly in cheek.
sofialady said:TCIB said:"I meant in terms of Martinez looking a complete cock for walking with Henry trying his hardest to get the LFC job but ending up back in the dugout at Wigan like a reject."
This comment is an example of one of the 2-3 major reasons no top manager looking up will ever touch them.
This chap has seen a pic of Martinez walking down the road with their owner and is already like this. That' is it, 2 guys walking down the street drinking a coffee and you get this vitriol.
If they are not going to give a manager a chance who does not have a liverpool badge tatooed on their heart then before they even start they are starting with one arm tied behind thier back.
@ sofialady,
Liverpool are now an upper mid table club (at best), should you wish to use the fact a north west english club laughs at another north west english club for messing everything up; as some justification you are still a big club then thats your prerogative.
The amount of pages of us laughing at the many recent managerial and administration decisions (not to mention the clown show on the pitch this season) amongst other comical liverpool exclusive lols (victim mentality, our year, best players, istreh and so on) is a poor standard to use imo to gauge a teams popularity.
Indeed your logic is skewed here to help you do a typically rawkish act (self delusion) in this case that of you still being a top top team.
I'm a City fan for one. So the RAWK quip makes no sense.
Liverpool are not an upper midtable club. Yes they have finished upper mid table for the past three years. That means they have an upper midtable team. Simple concept really and one that many of my fellow City fans refuse to acknowledge. As much as we love saying it, it's not true. Three or four years out of contention doesn't suddenly turn you into an irrelevant midtable team that means nothing on the big stage. Liverpool and as I much as I hate saying it, the Rags are the only two clubs in England that hold actual European prestige. They are among Juventus, Milan, Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Ajax etc in being the biggest clubs in football. Arsenal do also to an extent but the fact that they haven't yet won the biggest prize in club football keeps them from reaching the level of the other two. Who have both won it multiple times. I know you might not like admitting it but Liverpool have been European Champions in the last decade adding to their monumental four other wins. They remain one of the only English clubs to have won at San Siro, Bernabeau and Camp Nou (I think they are the only team to have done this). Only four years ago they were ranked number one in Europe on UEFA coefficients. Just because they endured a boardroom battle that almost crippled the club for two years and still are trying to find their feet again doesn't mean they lost all of what they once were.
Discourse changes so quickly when it suits your objective. If you think Liverpool are an irrelevant midtable club, why is there not an Aston Villla thread that is 113 pages long? I also fear to think what you think we are. You'd fit into the club that says we bought all of our success and because of that it means nothing. Such is the simplicity and idiocy of you logic.
Take Juventus. Haven't had the most success untill recently. Had all the threats and accusations aimed at Liverpool aimed at themselves, when they are absolute giants of the game. Giants. I found it stupid then and I find it stupid now.
Once they get back into the Champions League, these past 4 years will have been forgotten. I mean just like all us City fans forgot everything before we were bought. I just find it sad that City fans who should know more than anyone call a club like Liverpool, small and irrelevant. It's funny honestly. And that makes you even more delusional than the RAWKites you speak of.
I could cut and paste a comment from this forum and then paint a picture that I wanted just like you just did. Means nothing mate and if you want to have a discussion try levelling actual arguments and not using some irrelevant internet persons comments whom you don't even know. Also, the victim mentality thing. I cringe when people say this. What does that even mean? Is it an insult regarding Hillsborough and Heysel?.. If it is I cba discussing with you. I was ten years old when Hillsborough happened. To this day it's the worst thing I have ever seen happen in football and when people sing these chants at games or boo the silence's i'm taken aback everytime. Imagine if people had done this against Bolton and Fabrice Muamba. Have some insight. A life is a life whether it happened in 89 or 2012. Damn.
And before you say why don't they shed more light on Heysel too then? Heysel was a dark period for them but not in the same way as Hillsborough. Why would they want to relive it? Bothers me what people say and how they let football cloud their morality.
ban-mcfc said:sofialady said:
Not quite sure what your point there is mate. If you need explaining, it's a phrase to describe a club that does not seem destined for big things, is not one used to success. It is overshadowed constantly by other 'big time' 'famous' clubs.
ok i'll spell it out for you....
you said that you were unhappy with us calling liverpool names, you gave "small time" as an example, you said that, you.
i simply said that it hasn't happened. no-one has called any club "small time".
sofialady said:gordondaviesmoustache said:ban-mcfc said:i've been on here since 2009 as you can see and in that time no city fan to my knowledge has described another club in seriousness as "small time".
Exactly. Has anyone called Liverpool a small club on this thread? Certainly not without tongue firmly in cheek.
The person I was replying to said City were never a small time club despite a 35 year trophy drought and quite a few relegations in that time period. Which I was saying, is funny considering the other 100 pages in this thread are shouting with glee that Liverpool are an 'irrelevant' 'delusional' 'small' ''midtable' and 'mediocre' club.. all off the fact that they haven't finished in the top four for three years. I mean if I as the biggest City fan in the world can see the hypocrisy and delusion in that, surely anyone can.
C'mon, really?
sofialady said:ban-mcfc said:sofialady said:Not quite sure what your point there is mate. If you need explaining, it's a phrase to describe a club that does not seem destined for big things, is not one used to success. It is overshadowed constantly by other 'big time' 'famous' clubs.
ok i'll spell it out for you....
you said that you were unhappy with us calling liverpool names, you gave "small time" as an example, you said that, you.
i simply said that it hasn't happened. no-one has called any club "small time".
Omgoodness. I did not say I was unhappy with people calling Liverpool names. I was just saying, a little insight is needed considering what we once were. Also, my main point was I find it cringeworthy that there is a 115 page thread about Liverpool on here but the word 'irrelevant' is used quite often. Contradictory.
Are you saying you have been through all 115 pages of this thread and not seen one person use the word 'small' or insinuate it once? There is no point nitpicking because you know what I mean, yes you!
mcmanus said:sofialady said:TCIB said:"I meant in terms of Martinez looking a complete cock for walking with Henry trying his hardest to get the LFC job but ending up back in the dugout at Wigan like a reject."
This comment is an example of one of the 2-3 major reasons no top manager looking up will ever touch them.
This chap has seen a pic of Martinez walking down the road with their owner and is already like this. That' is it, 2 guys walking down the street drinking a coffee and you get this vitriol.
If they are not going to give a manager a chance who does not have a liverpool badge tatooed on their heart then before they even start they are starting with one arm tied behind thier back.
@ sofialady,
Liverpool are now an upper mid table club (at best), should you wish to use the fact a north west english club laughs at another north west english club for messing everything up; as some justification you are still a big club then thats your prerogative.
The amount of pages of us laughing at the many recent managerial and administration decisions (not to mention the clown show on the pitch this season) amongst other comical liverpool exclusive lols (victim mentality, our year, best players, istreh and so on) is a poor standard to use imo to gauge a teams popularity.
Indeed your logic is skewed here to help you do a typically rawkish act (self delusion) in this case that of you still being a top top team.
I'm a City fan for one. So the RAWK quip makes no sense.
Liverpool are not an upper midtable club. Yes they have finished upper mid table for the past three years. That means they have an upper midtable team. Simple concept really and one that many of my fellow City fans refuse to acknowledge. As much as we love saying it, it's not true. Three or four years out of contention doesn't suddenly turn you into an irrelevant midtable team that means nothing on the big stage. Liverpool and as I much as I hate saying it, the Rags are the only two clubs in England that hold actual European prestige. They are among Juventus, Milan, Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Ajax etc in being the biggest clubs in football. Arsenal do also to an extent but the fact that they haven't yet won the biggest prize in club football keeps them from reaching the level of the other two. Who have both won it multiple times. I know you might not like admitting it but Liverpool have been European Champions in the last decade adding to their monumental four other wins. They remain one of the only English clubs to have won at San Siro, Bernabeau and Camp Nou (I think they are the only team to have done this). Only four years ago they were ranked number one in Europe on UEFA coefficients. Just because they endured a boardroom battle that almost crippled the club for two years and still are trying to find their feet again doesn't mean they lost all of what they once were.
Discourse changes so quickly when it suits your objective. If you think Liverpool are an irrelevant midtable club, why is there not an Aston Villla thread that is 113 pages long? I also fear to think what you think we are. You'd fit into the club that says we bought all of our success and because of that it means nothing. Such is the simplicity and idiocy of you logic.
Take Juventus. Haven't had the most success untill recently. Had all the threats and accusations aimed at Liverpool aimed at themselves, when they are absolute giants of the game. Giants. I found it stupid then and I find it stupid now.
Once they get back into the Champions League, these past 4 years will have been forgotten. I mean just like all us City fans forgot everything before we were bought. I just find it sad that City fans who should know more than anyone call a club like Liverpool, small and irrelevant. It's funny honestly. And that makes you even more delusional than the RAWKites you speak of.
I could cut and paste a comment from this forum and then paint a picture that I wanted just like you just did. Means nothing mate and if you want to have a discussion try levelling actual arguments and not using some irrelevant internet persons comments whom you don't even know. Also, the victim mentality thing. I cringe when people say this. What does that even mean? Is it an insult regarding Hillsborough and Heysel?.. If it is I cba discussing with you. I was ten years old when Hillsborough happened. To this day it's the worst thing I have ever seen happen in football and when people sing these chants at games or boo the silence's i'm taken aback everytime. Imagine if people had done this against Bolton and Fabrice Muamba. Have some insight. A life is a life whether it happened in 89 or 2012. Damn.
And before you say why don't they shed more light on Heysel too then? Heysel was a dark period for them but not in the same way as Hillsborough. Why would they want to relive it? Bothers me what people say and how they let football cloud their morality.
This is the Liverpool thread right?
Eh..... Sofia you're pissing in the wind if you think we would ever give a flying fuck what a poster who pretends to be blue but is actually a scouse **** thinks. Spotted too easily.
I hate your fucking City of Self Pity shitty attitude. Moaning cunts the lot of you. Have you really nowt to do in Mersyside? I was in a boozer in Thailand drinking with rags who as soon as they heard that horrible sound that eminates from your vocal chords got the locals to play the rag version of 'furb'. Hate the fucking song but a thousand times better than listening to trying to be sick in my ear. Just saying like la.
ban-mcfc said:sofialady said:gordondaviesmoustache said:Exactly. Has anyone called Liverpool a small club on this thread? Certainly not without tongue firmly in cheek.
The person I was replying to said City were never a small time club despite a 35 year trophy drought and quite a few relegations in that time period. Which I was saying, is funny considering the other 100 pages in this thread are shouting with glee that Liverpool are an 'irrelevant' 'delusional' 'small' ''midtable' and 'mediocre' club.. all off the fact that they haven't finished in the top four for three years. I mean if I as the biggest City fan in the world can see the hypocrisy and delusion in that, surely anyone can.
C'mon, really?
you lot are "delusional", at the moment you are "irrelevant" at the moment apart from when we play you. you are a "midtable club" at the moment.
please point me out to where people have called liverpool a "mediocre club" or a "small time club"?
-- Fri May 25, 2012 1:11 am --
sofialady said:ban-mcfc said:ok i'll spell it out for you....
you said that you were unhappy with us calling liverpool names, you gave "small time" as an example, you said that, you.
i simply said that it hasn't happened. no-one has called any club "small time".
Omgoodness. I did not say I was unhappy with people calling Liverpool names. I was just saying, a little insight is needed considering what we once were. Also, my main point was I find it cringeworthy that there is a 115 page thread about Liverpool on here but the word 'irrelevant' is used quite often. Contradictory.
Are you saying you have been through all 115 pages of this thread and not seen one person use the word 'small' or insinuate it once? There is no point nitpicking because you know what I mean, yes you!
this is the general football forum, for football fans, not just city fans post in here. we have large threads for other big clubs because we like to discuss about what goes on there for whatever reason. rather than having countless different threads on one club about different things, it's all crammed into here and merged. not all of this thread is slagging you lot off so chill out.
christ.
sofialady said:mcmanus said:sofialady said:I'm a City fan for one. So the RAWK quip makes no sense.
Liverpool are not an upper midtable club. Yes they have finished upper mid table for the past three years. That means they have an upper midtable team. Simple concept really and one that many of my fellow City fans refuse to acknowledge. As much as we love saying it, it's not true. Three or four years out of contention doesn't suddenly turn you into an irrelevant midtable team that means nothing on the big stage. Liverpool and as I much as I hate saying it, the Rags are the only two clubs in England that hold actual European prestige. They are among Juventus, Milan, Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Ajax etc in being the biggest clubs in football. Arsenal do also to an extent but the fact that they haven't yet won the biggest prize in club football keeps them from reaching the level of the other two. Who have both won it multiple times. I know you might not like admitting it but Liverpool have been European Champions in the last decade adding to their monumental four other wins. They remain one of the only English clubs to have won at San Siro, Bernabeau and Camp Nou (I think they are the only team to have done this). Only four years ago they were ranked number one in Europe on UEFA coefficients. Just because they endured a boardroom battle that almost crippled the club for two years and still are trying to find their feet again doesn't mean they lost all of what they once were.
Discourse changes so quickly when it suits your objective. If you think Liverpool are an irrelevant midtable club, why is there not an Aston Villla thread that is 113 pages long? I also fear to think what you think we are. You'd fit into the club that says we bought all of our success and because of that it means nothing. Such is the simplicity and idiocy of you logic.
Take Juventus. Haven't had the most success untill recently. Had all the threats and accusations aimed at Liverpool aimed at themselves, when they are absolute giants of the game. Giants. I found it stupid then and I find it stupid now.
Once they get back into the Champions League, these past 4 years will have been forgotten. I mean just like all us City fans forgot everything before we were bought. I just find it sad that City fans who should know more than anyone call a club like Liverpool, small and irrelevant. It's funny honestly. And that makes you even more delusional than the RAWKites you speak of.
I could cut and paste a comment from this forum and then paint a picture that I wanted just like you just did. Means nothing mate and if you want to have a discussion try levelling actual arguments and not using some irrelevant internet persons comments whom you don't even know. Also, the victim mentality thing. I cringe when people say this. What does that even mean? Is it an insult regarding Hillsborough and Heysel?.. If it is I cba discussing with you. I was ten years old when Hillsborough happened. To this day it's the worst thing I have ever seen happen in football and when people sing these chants at games or boo the silence's i'm taken aback everytime. Imagine if people had done this against Bolton and Fabrice Muamba. Have some insight. A life is a life whether it happened in 89 or 2012. Damn.
And before you say why don't they shed more light on Heysel too then? Heysel was a dark period for them but not in the same way as Hillsborough. Why would they want to relive it? Bothers me what people say and how they let football cloud their morality.
This is the Liverpool thread right?
Eh..... Sofia you're pissing in the wind if you think we would ever give a flying fuck what a poster who pretends to be blue but is actually a scouse **** thinks. Spotted too easily.
I hate your fucking City of Self Pity shitty attitude. Moaning cunts the lot of you. Have you really nowt to do in Mersyside? I was in a boozer in Thailand drinking with rags who as soon as they heard that horrible sound that eminates from your vocal chords got the locals to play the rag version of 'furb'. Hate the fucking song but a thousand times better than listening to trying to be sick in my ear. Just saying like la.
Funny that. One of the most pathetic posts i've read on any forum in a long while. Decorum, class and intelligence is needed. I hope you do not spew this bullshit elsewhere. Making City fans look like trash.
sofialady said:mcmanus said:sofialady said:I'm a City fan for one. So the RAWK quip makes no sense.
Liverpool are not an upper midtable club. Yes they have finished upper mid table for the past three years. That means they have an upper midtable team. Simple concept really and one that many of my fellow City fans refuse to acknowledge. As much as we love saying it, it's not true. Three or four years out of contention doesn't suddenly turn you into an irrelevant midtable team that means nothing on the big stage. Liverpool and as I much as I hate saying it, the Rags are the only two clubs in England that hold actual European prestige. They are among Juventus, Milan, Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Ajax etc in being the biggest clubs in football. Arsenal do also to an extent but the fact that they haven't yet won the biggest prize in club football keeps them from reaching the level of the other two. Who have both won it multiple times. I know you might not like admitting it but Liverpool have been European Champions in the last decade adding to their monumental four other wins. They remain one of the only English clubs to have won at San Siro, Bernabeau and Camp Nou (I think they are the only team to have done this). Only four years ago they were ranked number one in Europe on UEFA coefficients. Just because they endured a boardroom battle that almost crippled the club for two years and still are trying to find their feet again doesn't mean they lost all of what they once were.
Discourse changes so quickly when it suits your objective. If you think Liverpool are an irrelevant midtable club, why is there not an Aston Villla thread that is 113 pages long? I also fear to think what you think we are. You'd fit into the club that says we bought all of our success and because of that it means nothing. Such is the simplicity and idiocy of you logic.
Take Juventus. Haven't had the most success untill recently. Had all the threats and accusations aimed at Liverpool aimed at themselves, when they are absolute giants of the game. Giants. I found it stupid then and I find it stupid now.
Once they get back into the Champions League, these past 4 years will have been forgotten. I mean just like all us City fans forgot everything before we were bought. I just find it sad that City fans who should know more than anyone call a club like Liverpool, small and irrelevant. It's funny honestly. And that makes you even more delusional than the RAWKites you speak of.
I could cut and paste a comment from this forum and then paint a picture that I wanted just like you just did. Means nothing mate and if you want to have a discussion try levelling actual arguments and not using some irrelevant internet persons comments whom you don't even know. Also, the victim mentality thing. I cringe when people say this. What does that even mean? Is it an insult regarding Hillsborough and Heysel?.. If it is I cba discussing with you. I was ten years old when Hillsborough happened. To this day it's the worst thing I have ever seen happen in football and when people sing these chants at games or boo the silence's i'm taken aback everytime. Imagine if people had done this against Bolton and Fabrice Muamba. Have some insight. A life is a life whether it happened in 89 or 2012. Damn.
And before you say why don't they shed more light on Heysel too then? Heysel was a dark period for them but not in the same way as Hillsborough. Why would they want to relive it? Bothers me what people say and how they let football cloud their morality.
This is the Liverpool thread right?
Eh..... Sofia you're pissing in the wind if you think we would ever give a flying fuck what a poster who pretends to be blue but is actually a scouse **** thinks. Spotted too easily.
I hate your fucking City of Self Pity shitty attitude. Moaning cunts the lot of you. Have you really nowt to do in Mersyside? I was in a boozer in Thailand drinking with rags who as soon as they heard that horrible sound that eminates from your vocal chords got the locals to play the rag version of 'furb'. Hate the fucking song but a thousand times better than listening to trying to be sick in my ear. Just saying like la.
Funny that. One of the most pathetic posts i've read on any forum in a long while. Decorum, class and intelligence is needed. I hope you do not spew this bullshit elsewhere. Making City fans look like trash.
-- Fri May 25, 2012 12:14 am --
ban-mcfc said:sofialady said:The person I was replying to said City were never a small time club despite a 35 year trophy drought and quite a few relegations in that time period. Which I was saying, is funny considering the other 100 pages in this thread are shouting with glee that Liverpool are an 'irrelevant' 'delusional' 'small' ''midtable' and 'mediocre' club.. all off the fact that they haven't finished in the top four for three years. I mean if I as the biggest City fan in the world can see the hypocrisy and delusion in that, surely anyone can.
C'mon, really?
you lot are "delusional", at the moment you are "irrelevant" at the moment apart from when we play you. you are a "midtable club" at the moment.
please point me out to where people have called liverpool a "mediocre club" or a "small time club"?
-- Fri May 25, 2012 1:11 am --
sofialady said:Omgoodness. I did not say I was unhappy with people calling Liverpool names. I was just saying, a little insight is needed considering what we once were. Also, my main point was I find it cringeworthy that there is a 115 page thread about Liverpool on here but the word 'irrelevant' is used quite often. Contradictory.
Are you saying you have been through all 115 pages of this thread and not seen one person use the word 'small' or insinuate it once? There is no point nitpicking because you know what I mean, yes you!
this is the general football forum, for football fans, not just city fans post in here. we have large threads for other big clubs because we like to discuss about what goes on there for whatever reason. rather than having countless different threads on one club about different things, it's all crammed into here and merged. not all of this thread is slagging you lot off so chill out.
christ.
'irrelevant' at the moment but there is a 115 page thread dedicated to them for 2012. Yeah makes sense.
I get that there is a need for that on a general football forum. I was just saying the criticisms levelled at Liverpool within the thread make no sense in the context of the situation they are being made in.
I'm not even going to bother commenting on the fact that you are insinuating I am a Liverpool fan. I'm not really. I hope to see you around another time around another discussion. I'm trying to use the forum more often and this is just a discussion I wanted to start. Why that makes me a Liverpool fan I don't really know.
Maybe I have posted a few other things about them (maybe three posts? such is how little I actually post!) but I have only started following football properly fairly recently and the only thing I have a vast knowledge of, other than City is Liverpool on account of it being my fathers love.