squirtyflower
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Re: Martin Samuel Attacks J W Henry
I always enjoy reading his articles, whether he's right or wrong
I always enjoy reading his articles, whether he's right or wrong
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Liverpool Thread 2012/13
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Re: Martin Samuel Attacks J W Henry
Sure. Statements such as:
"And the extra £1million required to secure Dempsey from Fulham would have influenced that how?
Are we to seriously consider that Liverpool are within £1m of being thrown out of Europe, or that the club do not employ one business brain capable of moving numbers between columns to satisfy UEFA over such a comparably inconsequential sum? "
... I don't believe for one minute that £1m separated this deal from happening and not. Quite frankly the press in this country over simplify everything. Buying a player includes wages, agent fees and structuring. It's not as simple as taking out £6m and sending the briefcase to Craven Cottage. Fulham needed the cash quickly to pay for Berbatov. Tottenham likely received close to £5m in initial payments from Real Madrid who have the Spanish banks at their disposal. Samuel writes, and often, like a pissed up fan. He fails to acknowledge that Dempsey as a striker isn't really a replacement. As this is a player who scored most of his goals from midfield.
What Liverpool need is a true goal poaching forward. The kind of forward they thought they had in Andy Carroll. Those types of players are rare and you certainly don't want to make a mistake and have millions of pounds of deadwood and wages on the books.
Samuel fails to acknowledge a viable replacement to play as a number 9 for Liverpool. As we've seen here at City... You don't buy unless it improves your team tactically. Dempsey doesn't do that.
Few teams bar Tottenham could buy Fulhams midfield and have it appear as a success only to have it served as a failure because of a Portugeuese manager that can't make it work.
SWP's back said:Care to explainalky313 said:Failure of an article.
Sure. Statements such as:
"And the extra £1million required to secure Dempsey from Fulham would have influenced that how?
Are we to seriously consider that Liverpool are within £1m of being thrown out of Europe, or that the club do not employ one business brain capable of moving numbers between columns to satisfy UEFA over such a comparably inconsequential sum? "
... I don't believe for one minute that £1m separated this deal from happening and not. Quite frankly the press in this country over simplify everything. Buying a player includes wages, agent fees and structuring. It's not as simple as taking out £6m and sending the briefcase to Craven Cottage. Fulham needed the cash quickly to pay for Berbatov. Tottenham likely received close to £5m in initial payments from Real Madrid who have the Spanish banks at their disposal. Samuel writes, and often, like a pissed up fan. He fails to acknowledge that Dempsey as a striker isn't really a replacement. As this is a player who scored most of his goals from midfield.
What Liverpool need is a true goal poaching forward. The kind of forward they thought they had in Andy Carroll. Those types of players are rare and you certainly don't want to make a mistake and have millions of pounds of deadwood and wages on the books.
Samuel fails to acknowledge a viable replacement to play as a number 9 for Liverpool. As we've seen here at City... You don't buy unless it improves your team tactically. Dempsey doesn't do that.
Few teams bar Tottenham could buy Fulhams midfield and have it appear as a success only to have it served as a failure because of a Portugeuese manager that can't make it work.
SWP's back
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Re: Martin Samuel Attacks J W Henry
Well you know better than Rodgers it would seem.
Great article by Samuel.
Well you know better than Rodgers it would seem.
Great article by Samuel.
joe hart's gloves
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Re: Martin Samuel Attacks J W Henry
I think Samuel is the best football journalist going around, and think he is spot on with this one. The Rodgers & AVB examples show exactly the problem today, too many men behind the scenes telling the manager he's wrong.
Loved the sly dig towards Platini and FFP as well ;)
I think Samuel is the best football journalist going around, and think he is spot on with this one. The Rodgers & AVB examples show exactly the problem today, too many men behind the scenes telling the manager he's wrong.
Loved the sly dig towards Platini and FFP as well ;)
Re: Martin Samuel Attacks J W Henry
Great response. Tell us more about how paying over the odds for player in wages, fees and structuring is smart business in a rebuilding project the manager himself said would take time?
Poor article and poor response mate.
SWP's back said:Well you know better than Rodgers it would seem.
Great article by Samuel.
Great response. Tell us more about how paying over the odds for player in wages, fees and structuring is smart business in a rebuilding project the manager himself said would take time?
Poor article and poor response mate.
Re: Martin Samuel Attacks J W Henry
For 6m Dempsey gives you goals between 15 and 20 a season it was a bargain also Dempsey can play in quite a few positions he is proven and would of been an all round bargain for Liverpool but wouldn't of got rid of Carroll
alky313 said:SWP's back said:Care to explainalky313 said:Failure of an article.
Sure. Statements such as:
"And the extra £1million required to secure Dempsey from Fulham would have influenced that how?
Are we to seriously consider that Liverpool are within £1m of being thrown out of Europe, or that the club do not employ one business brain capable of moving numbers between columns to satisfy UEFA over such a comparably inconsequential sum? "
... I don't believe for one minute that £1m separated this deal from happening and not. Quite frankly the press in this country over simplify everything. Buying a player includes wages, agent fees and structuring. It's not as simple as taking out £6m and sending the briefcase to Craven Cottage. Fulham needed the cash quickly to pay for Berbatov. Tottenham likely received close to £5m in initial payments from Real Madrid who have the Spanish banks at their disposal. Samuel writes, and often, like a pissed up fan. He fails to acknowledge that Dempsey as a striker isn't really a replacement. As this is a player who scored most of his goals from midfield.
What Liverpool need is a true goal poaching forward. The kind of forward they thought they had in Andy Carroll. Those types of players are rare and you certainly don't want to make a mistake and have millions of pounds of deadwood and wages on the books.
Samuel fails to acknowledge a viable replacement to play as a number 9 for Liverpool. As we've seen here at City... You don't buy unless it improves your team tactically. Dempsey doesn't do that.
Few teams bar Tottenham could buy Fulhams midfield and have it appear as a success only to have it served as a failure because of a Portugeuese manager that can't make it work.
For 6m Dempsey gives you goals between 15 and 20 a season it was a bargain also Dempsey can play in quite a few positions he is proven and would of been an all round bargain for Liverpool but wouldn't of got rid of Carroll
johnny crossan
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Re: Martin Samuel Attacks J W Henry
you must learn to rise above this sort of prejudice PB - you are a City Billy Beane Counter par excellence - which makes all the difference!
"Many clubs therefore resort to plan B. Bean counter knows best; or Billy Beane counter knows best if your owner happens to be a disciple of the statistical-financial analysis method known as Moneyball."Prestwich_Blue said:I like Martin Samuel but suspect he was pissed when he wrote that.
you must learn to rise above this sort of prejudice PB - you are a City Billy Beane Counter par excellence - which makes all the difference!
gordondaviesmoustache
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Re: Martin Samuel Attacks J W Henry
He's our very own CBBC!
johnny crossan said:"Many clubs therefore resort to plan B. Bean counter knows best; or Billy Beane counter knows best if your owner happens to be a disciple of the statistical-financial analysis method known as Moneyball."Prestwich_Blue said:I like Martin Samuel but suspect he was pissed when he wrote that.
you must learn to rise above this sort of prejudice PB - you are a City Billy Beane Counter par excellence - which makes all the difference!
He's our very own CBBC!
Skashion
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Re: Martin Samuel Attacks J W Henry
Is the concept of owners having a say in their investment really such a new thing, even in football?
Is the concept of owners having a say in their investment really such a new thing, even in football?
dennishasdoneit
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Re: Martin Samuel Attacks J W Henry
lol!
johnny crossan said:"Many clubs therefore resort to plan B. Bean counter knows best; or Billy Beane counter knows best if your owner happens to be a disciple of the statistical-financial analysis method known as Moneyball."Prestwich_Blue said:I like Martin Samuel but suspect he was pissed when he wrote that.
you must learn to rise above this sort of prejudice PB - you are a City Billy Beane Counter par excellence - which makes all the difference!
lol!