Liverpool Thread 2012/13

[waspish]

Twitcher would do a cracking job but can't see him moving north

 

[MSP]

doesn't look great for liverpool, these owners don't look a bit better than previous ones

 

[jimharri]

totaly exspecting rodgers to do the honourable thing and fall on his sword by xmas! who will be fist though him or cluless ? place your bets ! carrager and stevie starfish will be in charge very soon me thinks!

''Fist''? You need to be looking at other ''specialist'' sites!

 

[leighton]

Only time will tell I am guessing. I know with AVB at Chelsea it was player power that went against him and Terry , Lampard and Drogba all cost AVB his job.

At Liverpool its Stevie G who should be dropped he was shit against Arsenal. He needs time but the older English players dont seem to want to here it from a manager a few years older than them. To be honest if they get rid who will want to take that job again. King Kenny didnt work out. Rafa back again.

 

[ifiwasarichfan]

The one thing Brenda will get is time.

The Media is gunning for AVB first and foremost, he has replaced their woman Harry and they wont rest until he's gone.

 

[Forzacitizens]

Anyone just watch the program on Hillsborough on BBC 1?

I know this may sound ignorant but I don't know a great deal about what happened and the events that occurred that day.

Was it a case of there being too many fans there or did the police make mistakes?

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Anyone just watch the program on Hillsborough on BBC 1?

I know this may sound ignorant but I don't know a great deal about what happened and the events that occurred that day.

Was it a case of there being too many fans there or did the police make mistakes?

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[bluemoondays]

KK has really screwed over Liverpool, Brendan Rodgers has a tough job there for the next few seasons. They remind me of us before BM arrived but without an owner prepared to dig deep in their pockets to help them out.

Carragher & Gerrard (past it and almost past it)
Reina - looking accident prone
Carroll - they'll be lucky to get £15m for him (and probably have to subsisdise wages)
Downing - no-one will buy him, he's on their books until his contract ends
Henderson - already turned down a move to Fulham (probably wages)
Borini (juries out for now - Rodgers signing anyway)
Lucas - out for nearly 3 months (not KK fault anyway)

Only 2 recognised strikers - one has proved he can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo and the other one trying to prove the same ;-)

Thats a third of their squad with question marks against them. I've just looked at their squad on the PL site and their depth is almost non-existent, they are down to U21's for their bench basically.

Seniors (not including backup keepers): Reina, Carragher, Skrtel, Johnson, Agger, Enrique, Sahin, Cole, Downing, Lucas, Borini, Gerrard & Suarez. Of these 3 are crap, Downing, Carragher & Cole - leaving them 10 'decent' senior players (one on loan)!!!

U21s with PL experience: Henderson & Allen (maybe Kelly?).

It could be a long, hard season for Liverpool - can't see them being relegated in any way, shape or form but I see them scrapping for 8th-12th place.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Anyone just watch the program on Hillsborough on BBC 1?

I know this may sound ignorant but I don't know a great deal about what happened and the events that occurred that day.

Was it a case of there being too many fans there or did the police make mistakes?

I used to think it was largely the fault of the fans until I went into it more deeply and realised that it was nothing to do with them at all. There were a lot of errors made before the game and on the day by the authorities.

For one thing, Hillsborough's safety certificate had expired and it probably wouldn't have been renewed if the inspection had been carried out. Then they gave the more numerous Liverpool supporters the smaller Leppings Lane end instead of the larger Kop.

The Leppings Lane end consisted of a number of pens that could be accessed by a central tunnel into the middle two and two at each end for the outside pens. The central pens were already full well before the kick off and the usual plan called for these to be closed off and fans directed into the outside pens. However this never happened and the crowd continued to go into the already overcrowded central pens.

On the day, there were serious traffic problems and many fans arrived late. There were only seven turnstiles and these were inadequate to cope. The police allowed a crush to build up at the turnstiles and this got quite dangerous as people tried to get in close to the start of the game. Instead of delaying the kick off, they allowed the match to start on time and things got worse outside.

As a result, the police commander (who was doing his first major football game) ordered them to open an exit gate to let the fans in. The fans rushed in but went straight down the central tunnel, which was the most obvious route. As they rushed in, the crowd surged forward when Liverpool went close and a crush barrier gave way. Fans fell on top of each other and were crushed as were the fans at the front.

People tried to climb out but the police, thinking they were trying to invade the pitch, stopped them doing it. Eventually they realised there was a problem and the game was stopped. Even then they were slow to react and more worried about fans fighting than anything else and only one ambulance was allowed into the ground.

When FA officials went to see the police commander to see what had happened, he told them that fans without tickets had forced the gates open, knowing full well that wasn't true. There was a concerted cover-up, which put the blame on the fans. No one knows exactly who briefed the press but Bernard Ingham, Thatcher's Press Secretary, was quite clear that the police told them that drunken fans without tickets were responsible.

The Taylor Report made it quite clear that there was no evidence of excess alcohol playing a part and that the number of fans present matched the number of tickets sold to them. In fact touts were left holding quite a few tickets so there were probably less fans than there could have been so the police reports of hundreds of ticketless fans forcing their way in held no weight.

Crucial CCTV tapes, that would probably have showed that the central pens were overcrowded and that this should have been spotted, went missing very soon afterwards.

The problem is that the stories in the press are still believed by many to this day but hopefully the release of all official papers will put these to bed once and for all.

 

[Unknown_Genius]

KK has really screwed over Liverpool, Brendan Rodgers has a tough job there for the next few seasons. They remind me of us before BM arrived but without an owner prepared to dig deep in their pockets to help them out.

Carragher & Gerrard (past it and almost past it)
Reina - looking accident prone
Carroll - they'll be lucky to get £15m for him (and probably have to subsisdise wages)
Downing - no-one will buy him, he's on their books until his contract ends
Henderson - already turned down a move to Fulham (probably wages)
Borini (juries out for now - Rodgers signing anyway)
Lucas - out for nearly 3 months (not KK fault anyway)

Only 2 recognised strikers - one has proved he can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo and the other one trying to prove the same ;-)

Thats a third of their squad with question marks against them. I've just looked at their squad on the PL site and their depth is almost non-existent, they are down to U21's for their bench basically.

Seniors (not including backup keepers): Reina, Carragher, Skrtel, Johnson, Agger, Enrique, Sahin, Cole, Downing, Lucas, Borini, Gerrard & Suarez. Of these 3 are crap, Downing, Carragher & Cole - leaving them 10 'decent' senior players (one on loan)!!!

U21s with PL experience: Henderson & Allen (maybe Kelly?).

It could be a long, hard season for Liverpool - can't see them being relegated in any way, shape or form but I see them scrapping for 8th-12th place.

I agree that Dalglish has been the architect in a lot of problems Liverpool face. Its going to be difficult to shift Carroll, Downing and Henderson, they'll end up making a loss on all of them. Cole is on crazy wages. On Liverpool's side though, they have some decent looking youngsters, Sterling, Coates, Yesil, Coady, Teixeira, and this Spanish winger, Suso, who they rate highly. There's hope for the future there, but they need to sort out the present first. If they get 6th, then they've done very well indeed.