Liverpool Thread 2013/14 (continued)

superseiyan said:
Why is it obvious other teams will strengthen and progress, but it's obvious that we'll weaken and regress significantly? How come Arsenal who spent more days than anyone in 1st place didn't collapse, but we collapsed because we couldn't win 14 games in a row?

If we drop off slightly, that's still finishing a distant 3rd or 4th. There'll be a gap between you and Chelsea at 1/2 and the others--that's the real reason for the window shutting, not that "Liverpool FC will be totally clueless and not know what to do with the indignity of playing in Europe" .

Hopefully if we're not going to be challenging at the top as you predict, you win it again rather than the Rags, Chelski or Gunners. Nice coach, attractive style and not as cuntish, dirty, hypocritical, etc as the other three.

Liverpool had a unique set of advantages this season that they will not be able to exploit next season:-

1 - They played substantially less games than the other Champion's League qualifying sides. The likes of City, Chelsea and Arsenal played in the region of 56/57 games this season, Liverpool played just 43. This allowed Liverpool the luxury of resting players during midweeks, preparing all week for the next Premier League game, free from the preparation, training and travel associated with European football. It also allowed Liverpool to forgo the, now essential, squad rotation that those additional 15 or so matches would have forced. Suarez played virtually every minute of every game (once he returned from his enforced absence at the start of the season), this was noticeable in the last few games where he look emotionally, and physically, drained and not the same player as a few months before. Imagine that situation, but add 15 games on top, it's just impossible for someone to remain sharp and fit for that entire period.

2 - Based on their 7th place finish in the 2012/13 season no-one thought anything of Liverpool when it came to their title chances last season, it was only when they started their post Christmas run of victories that their name was being included in the title race, and even then as long shots until the last couple of months. This meant there was no pressure at all on the players, they could play with freedom, uninhibited by expectation.

There are a few reasons why you could reasonably expect Chelsea, City and United (presumably) to progress next season, and Liverpool not to do so by as great a margin (they may progress, they may stay still, or they may regress, but I simply can't see them taking the leap needed to challenge for the title again).

Firstly, assuming Van Gaal joins United, they alongside City and Chelsea will have vastly experienced managers, skilled in building squads, tactics, and organizing their sides, both offensively and defensively. Rodgers is not, as yet, hugely experienced (he's never managed a side in Europe) and his tactics last season defensively left a lot to be desired.

Secondly, in City and Chelsea's cases, the squad quality and depth is already there, it will be a case of a few additions and tweaks to get the squad right. Liverpool need far more sweeping changes, the squad depth simply isn't there, and there are some in the starting 11 that may well have just had their career years. The defense needs a serious look at it.

Thirdly, in United's case they will have all the advantages this coming season that Liverpool just experienced. They will be under the radar, as many will expect them to struggle, and they will have a handful of games compared to their rivals, as they aren't in Europe.

Fourthly, in City's case, we won the league despite missing some key players for sizeable periods of time. Silva, Nasri, Kompany and Toure all missed at least a month of the season, in some cases more than that. Aguero, despite scoring 28 goals, missed 3 months all told, and Jovetic was hampered by injuries throughout the season. Even if only half of those players have full seasons with us the improvement to our fortunes will be measurable.
 
Matty said:
superseiyan said:
Why is it obvious other teams will strengthen and progress, but it's obvious that we'll weaken and regress significantly? How come Arsenal who spent more days than anyone in 1st place didn't collapse, but we collapsed because we couldn't win 14 games in a row?

If we drop off slightly, that's still finishing a distant 3rd or 4th. There'll be a gap between you and Chelsea at 1/2 and the others--that's the real reason for the window shutting, not that "Liverpool FC will be totally clueless and not know what to do with the indignity of playing in Europe" .

Hopefully if we're not going to be challenging at the top as you predict, you win it again rather than the Rags, Chelski or Gunners. Nice coach, attractive style and not as cuntish, dirty, hypocritical, etc as the other three.

Liverpool had a unique set of advantages this season that they will not be able to exploit next season:-

1 - They played substantially less games than the other Champion's League qualifying sides. The likes of City, Chelsea and Arsenal played in the region of 56/57 games this season, Liverpool played just 43. This allowed Liverpool the luxury of resting players during midweeks, preparing all week for the next Premier League game, free from the preparation, training and travel associated with European football. It also allowed Liverpool to forgo the, now essential, squad rotation that those additional 15 or so matches would have forced. Suarez played virtually every minute of every game (once he returned from his enforced absence at the start of the season), this was noticeable in the last few games where he look emotionally, and physically, drained and not the same player as a few months before. Imagine that situation, but add 15 games on top, it's just impossible for someone to remain sharp and fit for that entire period.

2 - Based on their 7th place finish in the 2012/13 season no-one thought anything of Liverpool when it came to their title chances last season, it was only when they started their post Christmas run of victories that their name was being included in the title race, and even then as long shots until the last couple of months. This meant there was no pressure at all on the players, they could play with freedom, uninhibited by expectation.

There are a few reasons why you could reasonably expect Chelsea, City and United (presumably) to progress next season, and Liverpool not to do so by as great a margin (they may progress, they may stay still, or they may regress, but I simply can't see them taking the leap needed to challenge for the title again).

Firstly, assuming Van Gaal joins United, they alongside City and Chelsea will have vastly experienced managers, skilled in building squads, tactics, and organizing their sides, both offensively and defensively. Rodgers is not, as yet, hugely experienced (he's never managed a side in Europe) and his tactics last season defensively left a lot to be desired.

Secondly, in City and Chelsea's cases, the squad quality and depth is already there, it will be a case of a few additions and tweaks to get the squad right. Liverpool need far more sweeping changes, the squad depth simply isn't there, and there are some in the starting 11 that may well have just had their career years. The defense needs a serious look at it.

Thirdly, in United's case they will have all the advantages this coming season that Liverpool just experienced. They will be under the radar, as many will expect them to struggle, and they will have a handful of games compared to their rivals, as they aren't in Europe.

Fourthly, in City's case, we won the league despite missing some key players for sizeable periods of time. Silva, Nasri, Kompany and Toure all missed at least a month of the season, in some cases more than that. Aguero, despite scoring 28 goals, missed 3 months all told, and Jovetic was hampered by injuries throughout the season. Even if only half of those players have full seasons with us the improvement to our fortunes will be measurable.
Also other teams have now sussed them out and will adjust their tactics accordingly to counteract Loserpool's way of playing.
 
The other problem they've got is that their buying over the last two seasons has been pretty shit. Last summer we bought Navas, Negredo, Fernandinho and Jovetic and they've all played some part this season and will be better next.

Their only decent buy over the last two seasons was Sturridge, along with Coutinho to a lesser extent. Allen's so-so. Apart from Mignolet, all their buys last summer/January will probably be moved on, so they've got to buy well just to stand still, let alone move forward. Given Rodgers' record, that might be problematic. And if Suarez goes then they're completely screwed.
 
A special season now is done
And sadly there's no title won.
But memories of how we played
Will hold us through these summer days.
One memory for me stands out
Our captain gives a rallying shout.
Emotion strong, he tells his men
'I think I'll wear my maroon trews today'
 
M18CTID said:
Len Rum said:
Read and Weep:
From RAWK.
Having seen more than a few people suggesting that Stevie's huddle after the City game was ruined by what happened next I decided to write this. It shows such a lack of bollocks in my view to let it morph from what it was into a joke. We didn't lose the title because of what Stevie said. He didn't slip because he said slip. It was one of the highlights of the season for me. Don't let it be ruined by gobshites.

We Go Again

A special season now is done
And sadly there's no title won.
But memories of how we played
Will hold us through these summer days.
One memory for me stands out
Our captain gives a rallying shout.
Emotion strong, he tells his men
We Go Again.

Those words so heartfelt and inspired
Don't change because of what transpired.
For Stevie is a man who leads
Desiring always to succeed.
Pushing himself and those around
To always reach for higher ground.
He bottled it? Go boil your head
Support your fucking team instead!
As we back ours and know that then
We Go Again.

So Chelsea came and things went wrong
And now they sing that fucking song
And flood the web with endless memes
Our captain's slip, their bitter dream.
Don't let them take those words from him
As if it's ruined by what they sing.
Don't let them say he fell on his arse
And gave the ball to Demba Ba.
Because though he did, we know he slipped
And from there they were well equipped
To defend their lead, to waste our time,
To keep their deep defensive line.
We know that horrid twist of fate
Was just one game of thirty-eight
As Mourinho spouts his bitter chat.
The Special One? The "Special" Twat.
I'll stick with backing Rodgers men.
We Go Again.

I'm proud of reds who backed their team
And lined the streets as they made us dream.
I'm proud of our courage and conviction
As we battered all pre-season predictions.
I'm proud that at 33-1
We oh so nearly had it won.
I'm proud of our captain and proud of his words
And proud I'll remain despite internet nerds
Who hide behind computers and type on their screens
And have no idea what that passion means.
It means that they care, that they'll fight for the club
For those in the ground and for those in the pub.
For those who support us home and away
And even the gloryhunters who turn up in May.
The importance of that passion cannot be diminished
Though our best season for years had a frustrating finish.
You'll see how it matters next season when
We Go Again.

I've read some vomit-inducing shite from Liverpool fans on there but this one comes close to topping the lot. Are they deliberately trying to outdo each other in the cringe stakes?

This.
Not a dry seat in the house.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Will people please stop quoting that utter pile of shite!

I will, after this. Just too good to be ignored:

The tears had faded. The disappointment never would. But the tears had indeed faded.

It took a while, but sleep finally came. Or did it.

There was a huddle. A huddle, and it beckoned Steven. Steven was the leader, the captain, the hero. He usually beckoned others to the huddle. But this time it was different. The huddle beckoned him.

There were a lot of people in this huddle. Somehow Steven knew immediately the exact number.

There were 97. And he was the 98th.

And the leader of the huddle looked at Steven. Benevolently.

And Steven recognised him. How could you not? The strength. The wisdom. The inherent goodness.

Bill Shankly said: "Steven, you are here with me and my 96 angels/mates just for a moment. But we're going to send you back. To you family. And to your greater family all over the world.

"And we want you to tell them something. We want you to tell them that it's going to be alright. And that we love them.

"And we want to tell you these things also. We love you Steven. We all love you. And someday you will be back with us. In this huddle. Here in heaven.

"But until then, go back and make us proud."

Shankly smiled in a wonderfully self-deprecating way. He was such a wonderful man.

"I should say - even more proud. In our hearts you have never slipped."

And then Steven's eyes opened. He knew everything was going to be alright.

EDIT: OH, HELL, I MEANT TO POST THIS ON RAWK SO THAT SOMEONE WOULD QUOTE IT HERE. Oh well.......
 

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