Liverpool Thread 2014/15

[Blue Til Death]

City get a lot of flack about our spending but what Liverpool doing now to Southampton is nothing short of asset stripping another club of there best players I thought FFP was going to stop all this?

Spot on, there should be a limit on the number of players any one club can sign from another in a transfer window, what the rats are doing to Southampton is wrong, signed 2 and after a 3rd, I fear for Southampton next season.

Hey, they can be our feeder club like Arsenal is yours!

Your welcome to them, it wont change a thing and you know it.. !

 

[chris85mcfc]

You don't think we needed to sign a defensive midfielder?

You don't think we need a better squad?
We may do a Spurs (who still finished at about their level anyway), or players might continue to develop and play a little better. But you can't assume that we're going to be shit.

Losing Suarez will be tough, but sometimes losing superstars works fine (Ronaldo for United). Obviously I'll choose to be optimistic, whereas you lot understandably can't wait for it to go tits up!

Theres a big difference between having a bigger squad and having a better squad

Well instead of having Alberto/Aspas/Moses on the bench we will have Coutinho or Sterling/Gerrard*/Lambert on the bench.

So yeah, I'd say the squad is better already. Not Chelsea or City good of course, but then on paper we're never going to get there. We'll have to overachieve again to challenge for the title.

Rodgers seems to be very specific in his signings--so far no one else was in for Can or Lallana, but then again we did sign Alberto and Aspas though I have a feeling those were plan C signings, this summer we may be allowed to spend a little more because of the Suarez sale and goodwill from finishing 2nd. I hope we don't do a Dalglish, but I'm a little nervous about a few things I'm hearing like 40M+ for Lovren and Markovic.

The only problem so far is do any of the signings make you a better side? Like you said having Sterling/Coutinho on the bench instead of Alberto/Moses, but is Lallana any better than Coutinho, personally id rather have Coutinho he is a super player. I get what your saying tho if anything your bench is stronger than last season which was probably your weak point as any substitutions you made pretty much weakened the starting 11.

My point about having a bigger squad wasn't a dig, was just merely saying that at the moment although you have better options in your squad, the starting 11 hasn't been improved which should be your main concern if you want to challenge for the top 4 again.

I'm guessing the sale of Suarez will be a huge blow, will you be able to attract a player of top quality now your best player is on his way?

 

[superseiyan]

Liverpool's defensive frailties are caused, in equal parts, by the personnel involved and the tactics employed. Flanagan is young, unproven, and liable to errors given he's just starting out in the game. Johnson is a liability defensively, Skrtel can't defend without trying to rip off an opponents shirt, Agger is decent, Sakho looks quick but positionally naive. When you combine that with a set of tactics which involves high energy pressure early on, then you over expose your defence, and you run the legs out of your midfield too early leaving them unable to provide sufficient cover later in games. Rodgers needs to address both of these issues, his signings so far haven't helped the personnel, and I can't see him changing his tactical philosophy to address that issue either. Liverpool will be in a fight for a Champion's League spot this season, but I can't see them pushing the likes of City and Chelsea anything like they did last year. I see us and Chelsea being the top 2, in some order, then the next 3 being made up of Liverpool, Arsenal and United, again in some order.

Yes, correct. It's half personnel, half style. The best examples are the Stoke and Crystal Palace 5-3 and 3-3 games. I think the Can signing is with a view of him eventually being some sort of hard man in midfield. By the way, about this, here's the elephant in the room: Allen/Henderson/Lucas and Gerrard/Coutinho/Henderson. Which midfield offers better balance? Many of us are increasingly voicing what must be done. I hope Rodgers is brave enough to do it.

As far as defenders, Sakho will turn out fine, I think Rodgers wants Lovren to be his partner....but man, that price. Anyway, if we have the money and can afford it I'll let the suits worry about it.

Agger is made of glass, will probably be sold but 1 year ago we could've gotten 20M+ for him, now 10M at most. Skrtel should stay as cover.

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

Southampton will regret letting their best players go, its a false economy, great business for the coffers in the short term but history tells us that they will now suffer...!

Just depends how they spend it mate. £60 million quid there. You can do considerably better with 60 million quid than lallana, shaw and lambert

 

[Blue Til Death]

Southampton will regret letting their best players go, its a false economy, great business for the coffers in the short term but history tells us that they will now suffer...!

Just depends how they spend it mate. £60 million quid there. You can do considerably better with 60 million quid than lallana, shaw and lambert

In theory you are of course right but clubs like Southampton cannot afford to spend that kind of money on players, sure they will spend some but I think attracting anyone decent is unlikely in todays market. I like them as a team and I wish them well, I just fear the worst for them.. !

 

[FanchesterCity]

When City first got the money, and we started buying players like Zab, Kompany and Bellamy - a lot of fans (City and rivals) didn't think they were going to set the world alight.

We actually DID spend big on some others like Jo and Robinho, and it turned out some of our smaller buys ended up making a world of difference.

It's too early to say what will happen with Liverpool. If Rodgers IS as good as some suggest, he may well transform 'decent' players into fantastic ones. And if he's not as good as some believe, then we'll discover it by the end of next season.

Rodgers is slightly knackered - he can't afford to go and spend a fortune on a specific player (i.e. 50 million on midfielder, or 40 million on some top center back), and if he spends in the 10 million range, he's accused of buying dross. So he's clearly gone for English, in the 20 million range, and has been over charged (just as we were). Over charged by how much remains to be seen. If they turn out great for him, it might be worth the extra cost, but if they flop, he'll be scrutinised heavily.

As some have suggested though - the loss of Suarez will give Liverpool some leeway, which is fair enough. Losing your best player isn't easy, no matter who you are.

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

Southampton will regret letting their best players go, its a false economy, great business for the coffers in the short term but history tells us that they will now suffer...!

Just depends how they spend it mate. £60 million quid there. You can do considerably better with 60 million quid than lallana, shaw and lambert

In theory you are of course right but clubs like Southampton cannot afford to spend that kind of money on players, sure they will spend some but I think attracting anyone decent is unlikely in todays market. I like them as a team and I wish them well, I just fear the worst for them.. !

You might be right mate but I suppose we'll see. They might have had money on top of that 60 mill or so to spend anyway? Even with less than that they can do better if they're crafty. Southampton won't be able attract top players but I don't think lallana and lambert are top players, and shaw isn't yet, so they should be able to replace them without too much trouble IMO

 

[Ste1969]

Liverpool fc have had a £50million bid rejected for Southampton airport.........

 

[IH8MUFC]

When City first got the money, and we started buying players like Zab, Kompany and Bellamy - a lot of fans (City and rivals) didn't think they were going to set the world alight.

We actually DID spend big on some others like Jo and Robinho, and it turned out some of our smaller buys ended up making a world of difference.

It's too early to say what will happen with Liverpool. If Rodgers IS as good as some suggest, he may well transform 'decent' players into fantastic ones. And if he's not as good as some believe, then we'll discover it by the end of next season.

Rodgers is slightly knackered - he can't afford to go and spend a fortune on a specific player (i.e. 50 million on midfielder, or 40 million on some top center back), and if he spends in the 10 million range, he's accused of buying dross. So he's clearly gone for English, in the 20 million range, and has been over charged (just as we were). Over charged by how much remains to be seen. If they turn out great for him, it might be worth the extra cost, but if they flop, he'll be scrutinised heavily.

As some have suggested though - the loss of Suarez will give Liverpool some leeway, which is fair enough. Losing your best player isn't easy, no matter who you are.

The thing with Lallana is he was really closer to 20 mill. Southampton had to bump his price up because Bournemouth got 25% of his fee.

 

[IH8MUFC]

City get a lot of flack about our spending but what Liverpool doing now to Southampton is nothing short of asset stripping another club of there best players I thought FFP was going to stop all this?

So what about Southampton Asset stripping players they bought from other clubs to move up the ladder. FFP is corrupt but not because of situations like this.