Liverpool Thread 2014/15

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Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (aka Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

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Agreed foetus, this is the most vivid albeit recent bit of their "istree".
It is going to stay vivid to.
 
Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (aka Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

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Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

I'm a bit too old for all the # stuff but noticed on the late evening locao news as opposed to our classy #together they go for #demand.

#demand Brenda to be sacked.
 
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Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

Regarding Liverpool's current situation and that of their manager, I sometimes think that teams can become a victim (no pun intended!) of their own success. I appreciate that Liverpool didn't have any "success" in terms of winning trophies last season but my point is that they far exceeded pre-season expectations and came within a whisker of winning the title. That in turn would've pushed the expectations of the club and fans higher with regards to their goals for this season compared to last and despite losing Suarez to Barca, while people associated with the club may have factored in a slight drop-off in form with him leaving they would still have been hoping to put pressure on the teams at the top of the table but that hasn't materialised and they now face a almighty fight just to finish in the top 4.

Now if Liverpool hadn't done as well last season and instead had finished 4th or 5th I don't think Rodgers would be under anywhere near the same kind of pressure this season because expectations for this campaign wouldn't have been as high.
 
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They made a cumulative loss of around £90m in the previous 2 years, which is why UEFA investigated them. The additional BT Sport money from the PL will have pulled them in or close to break-even and the CL money might well have put them into profit. They may get something like £20-25m a season from the extra seats in the expanded Main Stand so if all that carried on, they'd be pretty healthy I'd say.

Yes, but it was a cumulative loss post accruals, no? Operating income, EBITDA relatively robust. Also if the facility is an RCF, they don't have to draw down, although they will get charged on unused amounts. The intercompany loan doesn't have a schedule on it. From a business perspective and, I stress, having only perused the most recent annual report, they look ok. If stagnant.

However, this is what I agree with:

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But they won't be getting any more CL money for a while (unless they're very lucky) and they'll lose £20m of PL prize money compared to last season if they finish where they are now. You'd also have to question whether a team that can only offer mediocre football and Europa League in a good year will be able to command the premium prices for coprporate facilities that they're looking to achieve. So there's a chance they'll be £50m a season worse off than they might have expected if they were factoring in regular top four finishes and CL income.

And it's quite possible they were relying on a lot of that £50m to pay for the stand.

the company is only as good as the present value of its future cash flows. This an issue, if revenues don't pick up and the regulatory pressures continue, they will struggle to raise financing.
You're right about the accounts, at least the ones to 2013. They generate a net surplus from their operating activities although player amortisation puts them into a loss-making situation. The extra revenue from domestic TV should contribute to a reasonably healthy financial position for 2014, plus the CL income this year will also keep them healthy, depsite not achieving the same level of domestic TV revenue.

But as far as I'm aware, regardless of how FSG have raised the finance, from Liverpool's point of view it's an interest-free loan (rather than an RCF) that has to be repaid over 5 years and they'll have to draw it in order to finance the stadium work. Without either of the level of domestic and UEFA broadcasting revenues they'll have in FY2014 and FY2015 then they might just be OK. Without both then they'll possibly struggle to find the cash to repay that money, let alone buy any decent players.

Yeah yours correct. It does have a five yea schedule. What do you think would happen if they didn't meet it though? Can't imagine holding company would implement strict covenants?
 
Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

not to forget they spent almost 115m pound in the transfer market ,i bet if it was city they would have been talking about the spending etc
 
Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (aka Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

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The perfect time to unsettle Sterling.

I worry about Sterling. He has looked poor in the champions league so far, and despite the wanking over him at the World Cup I don't think he was great there either.

Liverpool have a bit of a track record of burning out players, look at the likes of Owen, Torres etc who have fallen in a hole way earlier than you would expect. I reckon they're going the same way with Sterling.

........All season

Pace, pace and no end product
 
Re: The Red Lion Pub Team (Liverpool) Thread 2014/15

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Regarding Liverpool's current situation and that of their manager, I sometimes think that teams can become a victim (no pun intended!) of their own success. I appreciate that Liverpool didn't have any "success" in terms of winning trophies last season but my point is that they far exceeded pre-season expectations and came within a whisker of winning the title. That in turn would've pushed the expectations of the club and fans higher with regards to their goals for this season compared to last and despite losing Suarez to Barca, while people associated with the club may have factored in a slight drop-off in form with him leaving they would still have been hoping to put pressure on the teams at the top of the table but that hasn't materialised and they now face a almighty fight just to finish in the top 4.

Now if Liverpool hadn't done as well last season and instead had finished 4th or 5th I don't think Rodgers would be under anywhere near the same kind of pressure this season because expectations for this campaign wouldn't have been as high.

No arguing with that, unfortunately (for Liverpool) when your manager is a bellend of the highest order and milks every last drop of credit from the 'success' the team enjoyed last season, when it goes tits up the year after everyone jumps on his back. That is the culture of that football club, they are stuck in a 1980's time warp and are struggling to break out of it. In Rodgers they have the perfect fit, he buys into all their excesses, from his cliche ridden rhetoric to last years permanent armband, he shares their pain and he allowed them to dream but now the reality of coping with CL and other cup competitions has hit them and it's hit them hard. Compare his demeanour to that of Manuel Pellegrini and you realise how lucky we are.
 
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