Liverpool thread 2019/20

[bondsman]

What we have achieved the last two seasons is irrelevant. If you drop points from winning positions then you’re going to be behind. If you lose to shite like Norwich and United you’re going to be behind. I hope our club are not acting like our fans, we need an internal look at where we’ve gone wrong this season, not where other teams have gone right...

Yep agree. But the point is not that we would be winning the league but for VAR the point is they would not be SO far ahead in January. So we need surgery for sure but to suggest they really are unbeatable and only deserve to have dropped two points is a nonsense.

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

They have won 50 and drawn 1 of the last 51 premier league games played.
That is incredible and almost perfection.

It would be incredible and almost perfection if it were true. It isn't.
It would mean they won the last 28 league games of last season. They didn't
It would also mean they won the league last year unbeaten and champions with 110 points.

The actual record for the last 51 is W44 D6 L1 which is 102 points pace. Still superb though.

 

[Kylep999]

No disrespect but a lot of the above could be easily argued the other way as they were extremely tight calls. Liverpool thoroughly deserve to be top and by a good margin. Also let’s say all these decisions went against Liverpool this doesn’t mean the results stay as they are as the game changes and different scenarios are managed. Seriously from an outsider this is all sounds very childish and sounds very bitter.

They were all extremely tight calls which coincidently benefitted Liverpool, strange that. I'm not having that they deserve to be massively in front of us, they've been consistent but not better. The game's they've struggled in they've been helped by officials.
I don't count the Utd game's they've had decisions go against them, Scudamore said himself about a poor Utd being bad for the league. With all eyes on the Liverpool v Utd game, a draw and 2 nil win shows the plastic fan in singapore that Utd aren't miles off so they'll keep supporting them.

 

[Whymewhynot]

Yep agree. But the point is not that we would be winning the league but for VAR the point is they would not be SO far ahead in January. So we need surgery for sure but to suggest they really are unbeatable and only deserve to have dropped two points is a nonsense.

No one said that, my posts were in relation to someone saying they’re top mainly because of var. They aren’t, if var is working properly and the same for everyone then they are still top, not by the distance they are though. Ultimately they have been easily the best team this season and why they will win it, sooner our fans realise that and stop making excuses the better.

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

I take it seriously, because it's factual.

Liverpool -
Crystal Palace v Liverpool - Palace disallowed a goal at 0-0 for an off the ball push at a corner, Liverpool score to make it 1-2 with Van Dijk pushing one of Palace's players over to win the ball on the 85th minute. - 2 Points
Liverpool v City - Trent Handball, twice could be argued. Mane push on Sterling in the box. Salah offside goal. -2 Points, could be argued -3 points as we could've beaten them with fair officiating.
Liverpool v Leicester City - Penalty at the very end for a Mane dive. -2 Points
Chelsea v Liverpool - Azpilicueta goal disallowed when Liverpool were only 1 nil up, offside on Mason Mount. -2 Points
Liverpool v Wolves - Van Dijk handball, decision not to award a free-kick and uphold the goal was because the possible handball was too far back in play (see above, the Mason Mount offside was further back in Chelsea's play than Van Dijk's handball here) -2 Points
There's -10 Points just off the top of my head, that makes them top of the league by 6 points with a game in hand, but let's look at City's games.

City -
City v Tottenham - Penalty on Rodri not given, goal wrongfully disallowed for handball against Laporte. +2 Points
Liverpool v City - See above. +1 Point, an argument could be made for +3 points, but I'll say we would have drawn them.
Wolves v City - Push on Mendy not awarded as a free-kick, they score. +1 Point.
That's +4 Points for us, just off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure something happened in the derby with the scum too but can't really remember.

New total -
Liverpool - 57 Points with a game in hand.
City - 55 Points
An actual title race with us still to play them at the Etihad, and our main CB back from injury, but no, instead we have what we currently have because PIGMOL and the PL have manufactured this season, it's bent.
The above isn't including all the little niggly fouls we concede that they're okay to get away with, or bookings we pick up for minor offences while Robertson has only just picked up his 1st booking of the season against Wolves, after purposefully elbowing an Everton player in the head, and pushing Walker into the advertising boards at Anfield.

Continually winning games also involves a large array of psychological factors.
Now I'm not for one second saying I believe in all that Noel Edmunds "Positive Mentality" Bullsh1t, but what I am saying is that if the final outcome of a game is that you win, for whatever reason and by whatever means, then your personal psychological perspective, and also that of the team, will be vastly different to if you have lost/dropped points (again for whatever reason).
Winning becomes a habit..... and so does dropping points.
When your winning streak is "helped along the way" with offside goals (last year and this), penalties won for falling over air (last season as well as this), not being penalised for fouls, not getting players suspended when they deserved to be...etc...etc...etc.; whilst the media, every man, AND their dogs, are blowing smoke up your arse; you tend to be able to do what is required to "win the next game".

As many have said, it's a combination of factors, they're good, but they're not as good as all these "records" suggest, but that doesn't stop them (individually and as a team) believing the hype, and belief contributes a lot, even if that belief has been manufactured by cheats.

 

[Return of the Mac]

My take on it for what its worth. No way Liverpool deserve to be so far ahead. We are a better team. They have been helped by a mass of one sided refereeing decisions and media narratives. After a few games of the season we could all see how it was going to turn out and I can imagine our players were not oblivious to it either. Once that became clear its obvious that no matter how we played and they played they got more favourable decisions so from an early stage that will affect our teams mentality and even I found myself thinking "what's the point". That is only going to get worse the more it happens so in my eyes that's had a major contribution as to why they have got so far ahead. If it had been an even playing field from the start we would still be right in this !!

 

[cjn]

Sorry i do not agree with this, even if you ignore the cheats behind VAR and the cheating refs, liverpool have not been better that us, yes we have dropped points against weaker sides and had Four first team players out in just about every game we have played ( yes i include Sane), but have you watched liverpool they have scrapped past more than a dozen teams this season, just because sky says they are better does not make it so, only one team has out played us this season Chelsea and we won because our strikers were better

What? I don't have to listen to Sky, I just have to look at the table. If one team is winning all the games (even if they're "scraping by") and the other isn't... how are they not better? Imagine if someone was making that argument against City.

 

[malg]

They're the best team in the league.

We'll be back next season. Hopefully injury free.

 

[mccity]

They deserve to be top. Even if they haven't been as good as people say, we have been worse (or more inconsistent) than we ought to have been.

They've done very very well. They're mentality and physicality is excellent.

I think for me what stings with Liverpool though is how statistically anomalous they've been. 3/4 of their games are extremely tight affairs, and every single one of those games that's decided on those finest of margins they've won (except for United which they snatched a draw).

If they were blowing teams away week on week it'd be one thing. If they were winning extremely comfortable 1-0s it'd be fine. But the constant scraping of wins for the best part of two seasons now is just a morale killer. Even United in their best seasons under Ferguson would have the occasional close game go against them.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

They have won 50 and drawn 1 of the last 51 premier league games played.
That is incredible and almost perfection.

The only thing that is incredible is the amount of support they have had out of the FA, i was not going to go back to last season but, liverpools last goal of the season was against Wolves and it was off side with the lines man stood 6 feet away and in line, this is not an isolated incident and has continued this season.