Liverpool thread 2019/20

[VOOMER]

You got hay fever?

Just anticipating a potential change in tact from some posters if and when the dippers win the EPL.

 

[Bluemanc100]

A lot of the match tonight was reserved for "I wonder when Littlewoods are going to win the title?" One of the commentators even said that they will win it at the Etihad.

Will they bollocks.. I hope they come knowing a win seals the title and we destroy them

 

[willipp]

Winning games by 1 goal has been a bit of a speciality for the cuñts. Fine margins. 14 games in fact compared to 7 for us. We have lost 5 of our games by a goal.

We miss more chances than all but 1 in the league, yet are still the leading goal scorers. Problem is we can’t defend for shit when Laporte isn’t playing.

Just trying to understand how the fuck we are 20 points behind these with the same goal difference.

Those 10 conceded extra goals have hurt, because the scouse twats don’t rack up games like we did tonight, they are very fucking efficient and win games by the odd goal, something we struggle with.

When both teams are on song, we are so much fucking better than them.

So my conclusion is we need 2 centre backs, 1 to go alongside Laporte and another as back up. If we stop conceding silly goals we will get a lot fucking closer next season.

We are 20 points behind them because we have been hugely inconsistent, very sloppy in defense at times and even more sloppy in front of goal at times. We may be smashing teams now football has restarted, but lets not let that mask that at certain periods this season we have been really poor.

 

[L.R.]

If Liverpool have already won the title before the game at the Etihad then Man City will have a better chance of winning the game. If Liverpool need a draw to win the league then Man City will go all out to win which will suit Liverpool and I think Liverpool would win the game. Since Man City gained promotion to the premier league, Liverpool have an excellent record in games against them and I don’t see that changing.

 

[LGWIO]

The thing is this would be quite funny if it wasn't also a big part of the reason that referees have been terrified of giving a decision against them for the past few years.

Why would a referee make a decision that would have all their cheerleaders in the press on their back? It's much easier to give any decision their way as they know that won't be questioned.

How many times last season (and some this one regardless of the new rules) would a player would be flagged for offside when replays show they weren't? That happened to most teams pretty much every game except to Liverpool, who's double figures offside goals scored shows that their players were continually given the benefit of the doubt, for everybody else the benefit went to the defender which is specifically against the laws of the game.

The press don't mention a wrong offside decision if it doesn't go anywhere but if a team other than Liverpool score from an offside position then it's a huge talking point for a week or so, especially if it affects one of the press supported teams. Why would a linesman want to make that decision when it's easier just to flag for everything if you're not 100% sure?

It's the same with all the 50-50s, if a referee or linesman want an easy life with the press then they have to give them Liverpool's way. That's why they dive and cheat so much as they're pretty much guaranteed to get the decision their way. No match official wants the press on their back for being the one that 'destroyed the fairytale', I think that was the same reason Leicester got so many 'soft' penalties and were allowed to pull and hold so much when attacking or defending setplays when they won the league.

If the press are supporting you then officials will stay well out of their firing line if possible, no reporter will mention a Mane or Vardy dive but they'll be all over a penalty not given if the supported team drops points.

Over the last 8 or 9 years no team has cheated as often or as consistently as Liverpool have, their initial instinct in pretty much all situations is to see how they can somehow cheat. If its not diving then it's getting opposition players injured or sent off, they know they can do this because they know that they will always be given the benefit of the doubt. They know that the referee and the FA will turn a blind eye to almost anything within reason.

This pretty much explains how Robertson, et al have had no suspensions over the last few years despite regularly pulling players down in the box, punching, kicking and pushing players into hoardings.

Due to their consistent diving their press cheerleaders have had to come up with the phrase 'well, there's contact so he's entitled to go over' to explain away the antics of Suarez, Salah, Mane, Milner, Fabinho, etc. in fact pretty much the entire team except the keeper is a cheat in one or more ways. Every team has one or two wrong uns, Otamandi and Mahrez for example, but they manage to have an entire outfield of cowards and cheats.

This 'sportswashing' from the press on their behalf has now changed the rules of the game in this country which is why they've had so much help from VAR. It's been perfectly set up to help cheats in that when a replay is viewed the VAR operator doesn't look to see if somethings a foul or not they actually look for any kind of 'contact' so any team that's made a tactic out of instigating 'contact' and then falling over will always be at an advantage.

This is how the press control the league, the extra money and extra fans that come with it means being on TV or in the papers loads doesn't make too much difference to a teams fortunes on the pitch but if the press are completely behind you then you will be given more points than your performances deserve as you will always end up playing with the referees on your side.

Thays what I think anyway, I'm not convinced about the gambling rings and the other conspiracies but we've all seen with our own eyes how they get helped along by referees and I think it's down to pressure from press and the cowardice of the officials involved.

Pretty much all of the above goes for United too except that they probably have less out and out cheats in the team than Liverpool who are the snidiest team the Premier League has ever seen in my opinion, they've easily smashed the bar set by that horrendous Arsenal team with Pires, Van Persie and Fabregas.

All just my opinion of course.

WOW Daniel, that is some post. fair play for going into such depth when you could have gone with the usual line of "the media are biased and the dippers are cheating c*nts". Alot quicker and easier, but not as amusing
..but then thats one of the reasons I do like this forum for the alternate views. It would be a very boring and poor world if we all thought the same.
It is funny that ...and as you say...just my opnion..... so much ire and so many conspiracy theories have come forward this season rather when LiVARpool have run away with it. When in reality so much is down to City having a poor season compared to their usual standards.
Even from my (biased) POV I almost think last season was better/more exciting due to the ebb and flow of it. the closeness made it one of the best season ever (of course you cannot top Agueroooooooo) but still up there.
After last nights performance i do wonder whether the gap at end of the season could be closer to 10points!

 

[KentBlue]

I don't think we've been poor in the sense that sides like Villa and West Ham have been poor. We just haven't been as good as we should have been, but that's down to a number of factors: crippling injuries to first team players, Arteta and Vinny going, and the whole EUFA thing hanging over us. Not excuses, just facts.
Also, when you take into account the colossal amount of 'good fortune' the dippers have had, it was always going to be an uphill struggle.

Yes, to a degree we have been poor in some games, but we've made a rod for our own backs by being almost from another planet in recent years - leaving everyone behind struggling in our wake, consistently scoring 4, or 5 or 6 without reply in many games. We've set standards that very very few teams will be able to emulate in years to come.


For a good many reasons this season has not been a vintage one for us, but we'll dust ourselves off and start again next season - and bring the Premier League trophy back to where it should remain, with my beloved Manchester City...

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

WOW Daniel, that is some post. fair play for going into such depth when you could have gone with the usual line of "the media are biased and the dippers are cheating c*nts". Alot quicker and easier, but not as amusing
..but then thats one of the reasons I do like this forum for the alternate views. It would be a very boring and poor world if we all thought the same.
It is funny that ...and as you say...just my opnion..... so much ire and so many conspiracy theories have come forward this season rather when LiVARpool have run away with it. When in reality so much is down to City having a poor season compared to their usual standards.
Even from my (biased) POV I almost think last season was better/more exciting due to the ebb and flow of it. the closeness made it one of the best season ever (of course you cannot top Agueroooooooo) but still up there.
After last nights performance i do wonder whether the gap at end of the season could be closer to 10points!

You played better last season. You've been a bit stuffy yourselves this season. I don't think many would be bothered about how or when you win the league, it's just this constant drip of how great you are, from your fawning media. The reality is quite a bit different.

 

[danielwood5]

WOW Daniel, that is some post. fair play for going into such depth when you could have gone with the usual line of "the media are biased and the dippers are cheating c*nts". Alot quicker and easier, but not as amusing
..but then thats one of the reasons I do like this forum for the alternate views. It would be a very boring and poor world if we all thought the same.
It is funny that ...and as you say...just my opnion..... so much ire and so many conspiracy theories have come forward this season rather when LiVARpool have run away with it. When in reality so much is down to City having a poor season compared to their usual standards.
Even from my (biased) POV I almost think last season was better/more exciting due to the ebb and flow of it. the closeness made it one of the best season ever (of course you cannot top Agueroooooooo) but still up there.
After last nights performance i do wonder whether the gap at end of the season could be closer to 10points!

Yeah, I think it's a real shame how badly this season has been affected because of the poor refereeing.

I think both City and Liverpool have been below last seasons levels so it's a shame that we haven't actually been able to see who deserves to win the league, which is probably Leicester if we're looking at consistent performances this season.

It would have been fascinating to see how things would have developed had Liverpool dropped points because Michael Oliver had applied the laws of the game when refereeing the Liverpool - City game at Anfield rather than just making whatever decision was least likely to upset the home support.

Or how Liverpool's early season momentum (which as we all know is so important, pundits talk about it so much and there's a reason sports psychologists get paid so much) may have dipped a little if Mane was awarded a card for his dive against Leicester rather than stealing a penalty and three points.

I'd also have loved to have seen how Klopp would have coped with rotating his squad to fill the holes that would have been there after players like Robertson, Alexander-Arnold and Fabinho had received the bans they should have had if they had received the yellow and red cards their play deserved at times, especially after the disgrace of the first Merseyside Derby of the season.

At the top of the game it's all about small margins and if one team is given the benefit of pretty much all those margins then they will do much better than they would without them. If any of the top five teams had their games referee'd with the same leniency as Liverpool's then they would win the league, maybe not by as many points but they'd still win it.

What's so sad is that there's an entire generation of Liverpool fans that have never seen their team win the league. Those of them that are genuine and knowledgeable fans of football will never know if this team was genuinely good enough to win it without their players cheating and the, more than likely unconscious, help from the officials.

They'll never know if the early season confidence and swagger was down to all those little helping hands and wins gained by a dive or if this late season version of the team is their real level.

I think that's really sad for them and hopefully one day they'll get to experience their team actually win the league after working for it rather than have it gifted as a result of their players cheating. I suspect the emotions after an earned championship will feel much better and much more real.

 

[Mancity1980]

We are 20 points behind them because we have been hugely inconsistent, very sloppy in defense at times and even more sloppy in front of goal at times. We may be smashing teams now football has restarted, but lets not let that mask that at certain periods this season we have been really poor.

Don’t forget the injury to Laporte and the dodgy VAR decisions. With or without Bayern the Sane injury hasn’t helped either. The league table is not a true reflection of where Liverpool and City are.

 

[Mancity1980]

Yeah, I think it's a real shame how badly this season has been affected because of the poor refereeing.

I think both City and Liverpool have been below last seasons levels so it's a shame that we haven't actually been able to see who deserves to win the league, which is probably Leicester if we're looking at consistent performances this season.

It would have been fascinating to see how things would have developed had Liverpool dropped points because Michael Oliver had applied the laws of the game when refereeing the Liverpool - City game at Anfield rather than just making whatever decision was least likely to upset the home support.

Or how Liverpool's early season momentum (which as we all know is so important, pundits talk about it so much and there's a reason sports psychologists get paid so much) may have dipped a little if Mane was awarded a card for his dive against Leicester rather than stealing a penalty and three points.

I'd also have loved to have seen how Klopp would have coped with rotating his squad to fill the holes that would have been there after players like Robertson, Alexander-Arnold and Fabinho had received the bans they should have had if they had received the yellow and red cards their play deserved at times, especially after the disgrace of the first Merseyside Derby of the season.

At the top of the game it's all about small margins and if one team is given the benefit of pretty much all those margins then they will do much better than they would without them. If any of the top five teams had their games referee'd with the same leniency as Liverpool's then they would win the league, maybe not by as many points but they'd still win it.

What's so sad is that there's an entire generation of Liverpool fans that have never seen their team win the league. Those of them that are genuine and knowledgeable fans of football will know that they will never know if this team was genuinely good enough to win it without their players cheating and the, more than likely unconscious, help from the officials.

They'll never know if the early season confidence and swagger was down to all those little helping hands and wins gained by a dive or if this late season version of the team is their real level.

I think that's really sad for them and hopefully one day they'll get to experience their team actually win the league after working for it rather than have it gifted as a result of their players cheating. I suspect the emotions after an earned championship will feel much better and much more real.

Do you really believe there are dippers who feel that way?