Liverpool thread 2019/20

[Gazza]

The thing is this would be quite funny if it wasn't also a big part of the reason that referees have been terrified of giving a decision against them for the past few years.
Why would a referee make a decision that would have all their cheerleaders in the press on their back? It's much easier to give any decision their way as they know that won't be questioned. How many times last season (and some this one regardless of the new rules) would a player would be flagged for offside when replays show they weren't? That happened to most teams pretty much every game except to Liverpool, who's double figures offside goals scored shows that their players were continually given the benefit of the doubt, for everybody else the benefit went to the defender which is specifically against the laws of the game. The press don't mention a wrong offside decision if it doesn't go anywhere but if a team other than Liverpool score from an offside position then it's a huge talking point for a week or so, especially if it affects one of the press supported teams. Why would a linesman want to make that decision when it's easier just to flag for everything if you're not 100% sure?
It's the same with all the 50-50s, if a referee or linesman want an easy life with the press then they have to give them Liverpool's way. That's why they dive and cheat so much as they're pretty much guaranteed to get the decision their way. No match official wants the press on their back for being the one that 'destroyed the fairytale', I think that was the same reason Leicester got so many 'soft' penalties and were allowed to pull and hold so much when attacking or defending setplays when they won the league. If the press are supporting you then officials will stay well out of their firing line if possible, no reporter will mention a Mane or Vardy dive but they'll be all over a penalty not given if the supported team drops points.
Over the last 8 or 9 years no team has cheated as often or as consistently as Liverpool have, their initial instinct in pretty much all situations is to see how they can somehow cheat. If its not diving then it's getting opposition players injured or sent off, they know they can do this because they know that they will always be given the benefit of the doubt. They know that the referee and the FA will pretty much turn a blind eye to anything within reason. This pretty much explains how Robertson, et Al have had no suspensions over the last few years despite regularly pulling players down in the box, punching, kicking and pushing players into hoardings.
Due to their consistent diving their press cheerleaders have had to come up with the phrase 'well, there's contact so he's entitled to go over' to explain away the antics of Suarez, Salah, Mane, Milner, Fabinho, etc. in fact pretty much the entire team except the keeper is a cheat in one or more ways, every team has one or two wrong uns, Otamandi and Mahrez for example but they manage to have an entire outfield of cowards and cheats.
This 'sportswashing' from the press on their behalf has now changed the rules of the game in this country which is why they've had so much help from VAR. It's been perfectly set up to help cheats in that when a replay is viewed the VAR operator doesn't look to see if somethings a foul or not they actually look for any kind of 'contact' so any team that's made a tactic out of instigating 'contact' and then falling over will always be at an advantage.
This is how the press control the league, the extra money and extra fans that come with it means being on TV or in the papers loads doesn't make too much difference to a teams fortunes on the pitch but if the press are completely behind you then you will be given more points than your performances deserve as you will always end up playing with the referees on your side.
Thays what I think anyway, I'm not convinced about the gambling rings and the other conspiracies but we've all seen with our own eyes how they get helped along by referees and I think it's down to pressure from press and the cowardice of the officials involved.
Pretty much all of the above goes for United too except that they probably have less out and out cheats in the team than Liverpool who are the snidiest team the Premier League has ever seen in my opinion, they've easily smashed the bar set by that horrendous Arsenal team with Pires, Van Persie and Fabregas.
All just my opinion of course.

Good post, I agree with pretty much all of it.

P.S. Put some spaces between the paragraphs, it's much easier on the eye and will in turn encourage more people to read it.

 

[Sheriff Fatman]

Surely they are still in some other cup competions, aren't they? Maybe not!

Also heard an interesting airbrushed version of why Everton had to move grounds during the game, from Tyler.

I heard that too. Basically saying Everton abandoned the place and out of the goodness of their hearts along came Liverpool to make use of it.

 

[The Future is Blue]

The thing is this would be quite funny if it wasn't also a big part of the reason that referees have been terrified of giving a decision against them for the past few years.
Why would a referee make a decision that would have all their cheerleaders in the press on their back? It's much easier to give any decision their way as they know that won't be questioned. How many times last season (and some this one regardless of the new rules) would a player would be flagged for offside when replays show they weren't? That happened to most teams pretty much every game except to Liverpool, who's double figures offside goals scored shows that their players were continually given the benefit of the doubt, for everybody else the benefit went to the defender which is specifically against the laws of the game. The press don't mention a wrong offside decision if it doesn't go anywhere but if a team other than Liverpool score from an offside position then it's a huge talking point for a week or so, especially if it affects one of the press supported teams. Why would a linesman want to make that decision when it's easier just to flag for everything if you're not 100% sure?
It's the same with all the 50-50s, if a referee or linesman want an easy life with the press then they have to give them Liverpool's way. That's why they dive and cheat so much as they're pretty much guaranteed to get the decision their way. No match official wants the press on their back for being the one that 'destroyed the fairytale', I think that was the same reason Leicester got so many 'soft' penalties and were allowed to pull and hold so much when attacking or defending setplays when they won the league. If the press are supporting you then officials will stay well out of their firing line if possible, no reporter will mention a Mane or Vardy dive but they'll be all over a penalty not given if the supported team drops points.
Over the last 8 or 9 years no team has cheated as often or as consistently as Liverpool have, their initial instinct in pretty much all situations is to see how they can somehow cheat. If its not diving then it's getting opposition players injured or sent off, they know they can do this because they know that they will always be given the benefit of the doubt. They know that the referee and the FA will pretty much turn a blind eye to anything within reason. This pretty much explains how Robertson, et Al have had no suspensions over the last few years despite regularly pulling players down in the box, punching, kicking and pushing players into hoardings.
Due to their consistent diving their press cheerleaders have had to come up with the phrase 'well, there's contact so he's entitled to go over' to explain away the antics of Suarez, Salah, Mane, Milner, Fabinho, etc. in fact pretty much the entire team except the keeper is a cheat in one or more ways, every team has one or two wrong uns, Otamandi and Mahrez for example but they manage to have an entire outfield of cowards and cheats.
This 'sportswashing' from the press on their behalf has now changed the rules of the game in this country which is why they've had so much help from VAR. It's been perfectly set up to help cheats in that when a replay is viewed the VAR operator doesn't look to see if somethings a foul or not they actually look for any kind of 'contact' so any team that's made a tactic out of instigating 'contact' and then falling over will always be at an advantage.
This is how the press control the league, the extra money and extra fans that come with it means being on TV or in the papers loads doesn't make too much difference to a teams fortunes on the pitch but if the press are completely behind you then you will be given more points than your performances deserve as you will always end up playing with the referees on your side.
Thays what I think anyway, I'm not convinced about the gambling rings and the other conspiracies but we've all seen with our own eyes how they get helped along by referees and I think it's down to pressure from press and the cowardice of the officials involved.
Pretty much all of the above goes for United too except that they probably have less out and out cheats in the team than Liverpool who are the snidiest team the Premier League has ever seen in my opinion, they've easily smashed the bar set by that horrendous Arsenal team with Pires, Van Persie and Fabregas.
All just my opinion of course.

As soon as VAR was in place (or not as of last week at Villa) Scudamore's plan of a NEW winner of the PL came into being. Nothing could stop it no matter how well City played. Fortunately for them City haven't managed to hit the highs of the last 2 years but to be behind a team with a midfield of Henderson. Wijnaldum and Keita/Fabinho by 25 points shows just how bent it is. None of them would get on our bench FFS. The refs are all on the payroll ie brown envelopes dished out at Hilton services, who continually allow certain teams advantages. The 50,50's are no longer that...more like 70,30's! The media with their drip drip belittling of our achievements when continually blowing smoke up the backsides of the Rags and Dippers. Tactical fouls apparantly are new and we are the only team to commit these! Then there's the human rights brigade spouting up about our owners all the time and not linking any of the BLM stuff going on in the USA to certain other teams! I'm sure I saw Mane legging it upfield last night instead of kneeling to honour his brothers! I'm sure now the Dippers have all but won it (still hoping we win all our games and they somehow manage to f**k it up) that the plan for a new winner will now be consigned to the bin.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

After last night's shit show, it looks like they'll be getting a lot lot more help. They fucking need it, too.

 

[danielwood5]

I have yet to read a post of yours that i didn't agree with 100%. You really should post more.

Hahaha, thanks. I only get online rarely and don't usually have too much to say either!

I actually gave my season ticket away just before Christmas as I couldn't be doing with VAR and all the initiating contact cheating going on so I haven't really been following the football too closely which hasn't helped my input on here too.

I managed to watch the Arsenal game though (dodgy stream as there was no way I was going to give money and viewing figures to the people that have destroyed the game) and came away from it weirdly uninterested.

The game was better than I was expecting it to be after such a long lay off and no fans there but I didn't celebrate the goals as I was expecting VAR to kick in but was pleasantly surprised when it didn't.

All in all it was a surprisingly good game but it made me realise what we've been robbed of this season as it had no VAR messing about and a referee that was even handed and just got on with the game. Taylor may not have been perfect but he was competent and fair in my opinion. How rare has that been this season?

That got me thinking about the game overall in this country and I have to say I'm not very optimistic about it, when we have officials that are so easily swayed by the media then I can't see it getting much better any time soon.

We're going to end up with a game with that is basically decided by who's the best play actor rather than who played better and who had the right tactics and that really isn't for me sadly.

 

[danielwood5]

Good post, I agree with pretty much all of it.

P.S. Put some spaces between the paragraphs, it's much easier on the eye and will in turn encourage more people to read it.

Haha, thanks, I pretty much operate on a stream of consciousness basis (especially as I'm meant to be working) but I've edited it now.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

Pathetic as usual........

 

[Cellarite]

Pathetic as usual........

When my missus walked into the living room on Christmas Day 2018 and said she didn’t think they would play in the Premier League in that of all days, I told her they didn’t.

“Oh” she said, “I thought Liverpool were playing because they’re on every time I come in.”

I wasn’t watching because I was setting things up for the kids but had SSN on. It told me what was going on.

 

[N1985]

When my missus walked into the living room on Christmas Day 2018 and said she didn’t think they would play in the Premier League in that of all days, I told her they didn’t.

“Oh” she said, “I thought Liverpool were playing because they’re on every time I come in.”

I wasn’t watching because I was setting things up for the kids but had SSN on. It told me what was going on.

That the chains on the kitchen sink needed shortening?

 

[Metalartin]

I've given up hope on Liverpool going on the mother of all losing streaks after the Everton game. They played well but Everton had the better chances, seems like the trend of them conceding 0 goals against the run of play will continue.

A loss to us(as in a City win) and a few more draws will do for me, you know they will make a massive deal if they beat our points record and Sky and BT will help them.