Liverpool thread 2019/20

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gordondaviesmoustache said:
tbf, a few have slipped into that mode mate.
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Well, you've got one or two more mates than me Gord ;-), you mean from our, or what we'd consider our original fanbase ?
Anyone who does deserves the shit they get if that's the case imo.

LGWIO said:
I agree to a point, but think it down to time and youth/vintage as to whether fans get complacent. Winning over one, two or three seasons is great, but I look back from my first game in '76 to when it came to a shuddering stop in '90. There will be many where success was all they have known and that complacency is what breeds that view of it being "our right". I mean I wouldn't mind betting that practically every Bayern fan thinks it is "their right".
I think you have to look at the league now and although Sky may be seen as an evil in one (or many) senses, the money they have pumped in to clubs has levelled the field to a degree. This has created more equality on and off the field which has to be a good thing. "Smaller clubs" (waiting for the comments about use of that phrase) can hold onto players and build teams which makes them better. It is therefore harder to win and hold on to success. Surely something that is good for the game and makes the league more exciting.
If it wasnt like that now and City were to continue with their doubles/trebles, leagues etc, then I think many a young city fan may fall into the trap of "our right".
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I don't think Sky have leveled it at all really, although if you'd have used the term 'inflated', I wouldn't have an issue with that, but the disparity is still there.
With reference to the other part, I'm not only referring to the youth who know no different, there are fans of all ages, even my 80 year old mate who grew up in Anfield is the same, the phrase "this year is our year" is used in reference to your club for a reason, although recently it could be directed at the rags (and long may it continue), also, I think most blues welcome outside investment into other clubs and genuinely want lots of competition, where as you and the rags (and Sky/BT etc) clearly want a monopoly.
 
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Bizarre how so many of them are claiming to be current European and premier league champions, they’re out of the CL, using this logic city are still champions until the final ball is kicked. Such a bizarre breed
 
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oman0115 said:
Bizarre how so many of them are claiming to be current European and premier league champions, they’re out of the CL, using this logic city are still champions until the final ball is kicked. Such a bizarre breed
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Don't have a particular issue with that, if someone were to ask you who the current champions or holders are of the Champs League, you'd rightly say liverpool would you not ?
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
...The difference may be that we tend to revel in that quite a bit, rather than ignore it!
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After years of living in the shadow of the Trafford Red Sox and their successes, most Blues developed a self deprecating sense of humour which allowed us to roll with the punches and survive the endless jibes directed at our team, and as you say, most of us revelled in it; LiVARpool fans, despite their well documented "famous sense of humour", could have done the same but their entitlement and narcissism only bred contempt, and misplaced arrogance festered away as the years of failure stacked up.

When the bad times arrive you can choose to either laugh or cry, we chose the former, whilst they chose the later. Thick skin/thin skin
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
After years of living in the shadow of the Trafford Red Sox and their successes, most Blues developed a self deprecating sense of humour which allowed us to roll with the punches and survive the endless jibes directed at our team, and as you say, most of us revelled in it; LiVARpool fans, despite their well documented "famous sense of humour", could have done the same but their entitlement and narcissism only bred contempt, and misplaced arrogance festered away as the years of failure stacked up.

When the bad times arrive you can choose to either laugh or cry, we chose the former, whilst they chose the later. Thick skin/thin skin
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Once again i find myself agreeing ...but only to a point.
The difference being that so many (LFC fans) did fall into the trap of thinking the good times would go on forever, they did think it was "our right" and the fall from that peak was tough. Made even worse due to the fact that we just fell into mediocrity rather than becoming really really poor. It was always just out of reach but we were simply never good enough.
I think City hadn't had that long run of success, so whilst the bragging rights in the city went to the rags and allowed for much piss taking, it was all about a local rivalry (IMHO). At that point City did drop down the leagues and so the lows were far lower than anything Liverpool have ever experienced. It was from that point that i think the self depreciation comes from. Equally I think that gives City fans so much kudos for filling out grounds like never before outside the Prem/top flight. It gives them the the right to say look where we have come from. I think it also gives them a degree of humility that they know it "could" happen again (although unlikely).
I think a spell out of the top flight would make many fans appreciate where they are and give them a sense of reality.
 
LGWIO said:
Once again i find myself agreeing ...but only to a point.
The difference being that so many (LFC fans) did fall into the trap of thinking the good times would go on forever, they did think it was "our right" and the fall from that peak was tough. Made even worse due to the fact that we just fell into mediocrity rather than becoming really really poor. It was always just out of reach but we were simply never good enough.
I think City hadn't had that long run of success, so whilst the bragging rights in the city went to the rags and allowed for much piss taking, it was all about a local rivalry (IMHO). At that point City did drop down the leagues and so the lows were far lower than anything Liverpool have ever experienced. It was from that point that i think the self depreciation comes from. Equally I think that gives City fans so much kudos for filling out grounds like never before outside the Prem/top flight. It gives them the the right to say look where we have come from. I think it also gives them a degree of humility that they know it "could" happen again (although unlikely).
I think a spell out of the top flight would make many fans appreciate where they are and give them a sense of reality.
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I agree that we didn't have the "long run of success" that your team had, and I therefore have no real concept of the bitterness of the pill your lot had to swallow when you no longer had a nice shiny crown to wear on a regular basis, but it's the form that the "bragging rights" take that have never really sat well with me, both with your support and those of our near neighbours. There are different ways of bragging; rubbing others noses in their failure vs celebrating your own successes, or arrogance vs humility as you've explained in your post. However, you've not really been successful for a while and many of your fans will have grown up in a similar "culture of relative failure" to many 80s/90s blues, so where does their arrogance, entitlement and general gob-shite-ery stem from? Is there a secret ingredient that's slipped into the bastardised Lancashire hotpot?
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
, so where does their arrogance, entitlement and general gob-shite-ery stem from? Is there a secret ingredient that's slipped into the bastardised Lancashire hotpot?
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I would guess if you are constantly fed by the press/media what a wonderful club and set of fans you are, how knowledgeable you are how sporting you are. Us match going fans know exactly what sort of fans, your fan base is like. You have lots of your old players as pundits you think you are the best.
Plus when you constantly get away with poor behaviour, coach welcome, ignore social distancing, firing fireworks at your own buildings , or fountains, you get the feeling you as a fan base and club are untouchable.

You seem to have completely lost that scouser humour if anyone speaks bad about you, you want an apology just like what happen to Murphy the other week. Your accent seems to be getting more high pitch by the week ! ( humour:)).

I really dont understand how with your fans behaviour you seem shocked that most other fans dont like you. The view of most liverpool fans I know say the coach welcome was just a few over stepping the mark despite videos show over 880 objects thrown at our coach. They think we over reacted to it !.

I know it is wrong to tar all liverpool fans with the same brush , as City have a few knobheads as well

As a City fan I have no entitlement feeling if we never win another trophy I had my Aguerooooooooo moment. The more competition the better bring it on

PS this isnt a personal attack on LGWIO you seem ok.
 
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