Liverpool thread 2019/20

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burning blue soul said:
Although your motives and viewpoints are logical, and honourable; and there are a number of Liverpool fans who can talk about football without resorting to schoolyard "my teams bigger than your team" talk. We all suspect that most of their fan base will resort to the type of childish point scoring when a balanced, coherant and justified counter point is made against them.
Years of preferential treatment in the press have clouded their own opinions of themselves as a club and fan base. When they are not fully called out for the things they have done, and when the press over glorify their under achievements then they lose perspective on what is valid comment, preferring the 'offended outrage' route as soon as the black clouds of criticism roll in. They have become unable to self criticise, not just individually, but has a whole fan base, it's like a type of apostasy. Whoever likened their fan base to a cult was bang on the money!!
Liverpool fans can come here in peace, I have no issue with that, but the baggage that comes with them is hard for our fan base to understand or entertain.
Nothing in the last ten years has changed my view on this, and I can't see it getting any better in the next ten, either!
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KentBlue said:
Absolutely this. 100%.

Most people are football fans who choose a certain club. We love the sport, we watch any kind of game whenever and wherever we can, and the club(s) we choose to support we get behind them because we love them...they are part of an extended family. But, and this is the situation as I see it, dipper fans hate other clubs far more than they love their own. They are the sort of fans who probably get more pleasure seeing another club failing than watching their own team winning a trophy.
They won the C.L. but you'd never have guessed it. They have spent all their time since whinging and whining about us, bleating about oil money and having plastic fans, etc. Instead of looking back on what for them has been a very good season, they are spitting venom at us for having an even better season.

When supporters of other clubs come on here they are very very seldom as full of hatred and deep-rooted animosity as the dippers are. They might throw in the odd barbed comment, but nothing too OTT. Besides, all opposing fans know what they'll receive back...with considerable interest! As we would expect if any of us went on another team's forum and starting throwing insults about. But I always feel when a dipper fan comes on here that it's only a matter of time before he or she starts spewing the hatred for any other club that they all seem to have been harbouring since birth.

Fine. If any dipper fans want to come on here and join in, I have no issues whatsoever. But I know, and I suspect deep down we all know, that their stay will not be harmonious.
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I get what your both saying, and actually agree with much of it, but one of the points I'm making is that much of the trouble is of our own making.
First things first, 'they' are not a 'they' any more than 'we' are a 'we'. Both of your posts (and some of the others) basically say they are all the same. No they're not. There are as many shades of Liverpool fan as there are City fan. There's no question that they have more in each shade, and that's especially true for the hateful, brain-dead keyboard warrior types, but the reaction of posters on this thread is discouraging anybody who actually wants to engage in football talk and actively encouraging those that want to wind-up or fight.
I've already said that I'm in a wonderful position of not having to put up with any morons in my work or personal life, and I'm fully aware of what an absolute blessing that is. I can honestly sympathise with those that have to find a way to deal with them on an ongoing basis, but another club's fan posting on BM isn't the sum of all the evils that people have to endure everywhere. If somebody gets wound up by twitter, the media, or workmates, then that's unfortunate, but there's still no need to jump down the throat of an oppo fan on here; it's your problem, not theirs. Projecting all the pent up aggression onto them is a shit thing to do.
Plenty of Liverpool fans I know are well aware of the negatives around their club, and will discuss them if it really is a discussion, but why should they have to justify their club to us anymore than we should justify ours to them.
There'll no doubt be the dregs of society turning up for a long time looking to wum, because that's how it is now and it'll take a while to change - but I get the impression most posters want it to change. Why not look for the positives (when they finally show up) and deal with the shit appropriately in the mean time.
 
KentBlue said:
Absolutely this. 100%.

Most people are football fans who choose a certain club. We love the sport, we watch any kind of game whenever and wherever we can, and the club(s) we choose to support we get behind them because we love them...they are part of an extended family. But, and this is the situation as I see it, dipper fans hate other clubs far more than they love their own. They are the sort of fans who probably get more pleasure seeing another club failing than watching their own team winning a trophy.
They won the C.L. but you'd never have guessed it. They have spent all their time since whinging and whining about us, bleating about oil money and having plastic fans, etc. Instead of looking back on what for them has been a very good season, they are spitting venom at us for having an even better season.

When supporters of other clubs come on here they are very very seldom as full of hatred and deep-rooted animosity as the dippers are. They might throw in the odd barbed comment, but nothing too OTT. Besides, all opposing fans know what they'll receive back...with considerable interest! As we would expect if any of us went on another team's forum and starting throwing insults about. But I always feel when a dipper fan comes on here that it's only a matter of time before he or she starts spewing the hatred for any other club that they all seem to have been harbouring since birth.

Fine. If any dipper fans want to come on here and join in, I have no issues whatsoever. But I know, and I suspect deep down we all know, that their stay will not be harmonious.
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They wanted the league above all else and gave up on the LC and FA cup's to make it happen.
 
keith's curle said:
I get what your both saying, and actually agree with much of it, but one of the points I'm making is that much of the trouble is of our own making.
First things first, 'they' are not a 'they' any more than 'we' are a 'we'. Both of your posts (and some of the others) basically say they are all the same. No they're not. There are as many shades of Liverpool fan as there are City fan. There's no question that they have more in each shade, and that's especially true for the hateful, brain-dead keyboard warrior types, but the reaction of posters on this thread is discouraging anybody who actually wants to engage in football talk and actively encouraging those that want to wind-up or fight.
I've already said that I'm in a wonderful position of not having to put up with any morons in my work or personal life, and I'm fully aware of what an absolute blessing that is. I can honestly sympathise with those that have to find a way to deal with them on an ongoing basis, but another club's fan posting on BM isn't the sum of all the evils that people have to endure everywhere. If somebody gets wound up by twitter, the media, or workmates, then that's unfortunate, but there's still no need to jump down the throat of an oppo fan on here; it's your problem, not theirs. Projecting all the pent up aggression onto them is a shit thing to do.
Plenty of Liverpool fans I know are well aware of the negatives around their club, and will discuss them if it really is a discussion, but why should they have to justify their club to us anymore than we should justify ours to them.
There'll no doubt be the dregs of society turning up for a long time looking to wum, because that's how it is now and it'll take a while to change - but I get the impression most posters want it to change. Why not look for the positives (when they finally show up) and deal with the shit appropriately in the mean time.
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Sniff "nope I'm happy detesting the dippers until I die" effing sniff.
 
I'm not aware of any dipper or other fan coming on here talking genuine football, including defending their team or pointing out any City faults, being demonised, abused or banned?? The recent expulsions have been, I presume, because they were out and out Wummers and idiots... No need for a mini opposing fan love-in, the Wummers will always get what they deserve..
 
I understand what Keith'sCurle is saying, but our views are obviously from a different perspective. He's probably met some scousers that are nice blokes and easy to get along with. I personally have not. For me it's a 'speak as you find' situation, and I find Liverpudlians to be wholly untrustworthy, belligerent and downright lazy. Sounds stereotypical? Yes, that it does. But it is the honest truth that the scousers I know down here are just thoroughly unpleasant people. I'd like to say differently, I genuinely would, because I like to get along with people, and life is too short for bickering and squabbling. But unfortunately until if/when I meet a decent scouser they will always be as I've described above.
 
KentBlue said:
I understand what Keith'sCurle is saying, but our views are obviously from a different perspective. He's probably met some scousers that are nice blokes and easy to get along with. I personally have not. For me it's a 'speak as you find' situation, and I find Liverpudlians to be wholly untrustworthy, belligerent and downright lazy. Sounds stereotypical? Yes, that it does. But it is the honest truth that the scousers I know down here are just thoroughly unpleasant people. I'd like to say differently, I genuinely would, because I like to get along with people, and life is too short for bickering and squabbling. But unfortunately until if/when I meet a decent scouser they will always be as I've described above.
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I didn't say anything about scousers… ;)
 
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