Liverpool thread 2020/21

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Those of you who remember 1989 know that back then all football fans were treated like scum, certainly by cops at away matches and often by the clubs. It was the way it was. LFC fans had a bad rep, and lots of people rushed to judgement. I believe Thatcher and many of her clique would have been happy to see the game die, and in that atmosphere, the police and the 'football establishment' were given the credibility they did not deserve. There was a 'political' aspect to this and it's use kidding ourselves that there wasn't. The press had been going on about football hooliganism for years and the curtain-twitchers of middle England had no sympathy whatever for football fans.

Yes, I believe it could have happened to us or any other team. Hillsborough was an outdated dump - as were many grounds - and the coppers managed the whole thing disastrously.
 
BrianW said:
Those of you who remember 1989 know that back then all football fans were treated like scum, certainly by cops at away matches and often by the clubs. It was the way it was. LFC fans had a bad rep, and lots of people rushed to judgement. I believe Thatcher and many of her clique would have been happy to see the game die, and in that atmosphere, the police and the 'football establishment' were given the credibility they did not deserve. There was a 'political' aspect to this and it's use kidding ourselves that there wasn't. The press had been going on about football hooliganism for years and the curtain-twitchers of middle England had no sympathy whatever for football fans.

Yes, I believe it could have happened to us or any other team. Hillsborough was an outdated dump - as were many grounds - and the coppers managed the whole thing disastrously.
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I am sorry but along with lots of other fake news 'all football fans were treated like scum' is now an accepted 'fact'. Decent fans were treated like decent people but I remember running battles in the Kippax when many away fans tried to 'take' the Kippax. The photo of the blue with a dart in his head at the swamp. There were very serious assaults and even murders committed by hooligans, Europe was plagued by feral mobs of English fans, mainly it has to be said Liverpool fans, looting and fighting their way to a match and doing the same on the return journey. Motorway services were scenes of constant battles, our Rag neighbours were both sinners and sinned against, again mainly by the dippers. I was there throughout it. I took my 7 year old step son to City v Leeds, I took him in the Platt Lane thinking it would be safe, it is the only match I have ever left early. I Left due to the constant battles. Pitch invasions in an attempt to attack the other away supporters were a regular occurrence and the reason why fences went up. Yes Hillsborough proved they were deadly and therefore wrong but at the time it was thought to be the answer.
I am off to Porto now so wont be able to reply to anything but I am glad those violent and frightening days are long behind us.
 
Blue Mist said:
Why is it a cover up ? Why can't people accept that these people did not break the law. Why would a very well respected judge lie and say these men did not break the law and there is no case to answer.
The whole thing was a charade to appease people who had innocent family members die.
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Mate. Seriously. The judiciary in this country have been complicit in many, many fuck ups and cover ups. Don't think they're not political animals themselves.

The Scousers have been done over here. As much as many dislike them on here, in this instance they definitely are the victims.
 
Blue Mist said:
I am sorry but along with lots of other fake news 'all football fans were treated like scum' is now an accepted 'fact'. Decent fans were treated like decent people but I remember running battles in the Kippax when many away fans tried to 'take' the Kippax. The photo of the blue with a dart in his head at the swamp. There were very serious assaults and even murders committed by hooligans, Europe was plagued by feral mobs of English fans, mainly it has to be said Liverpool fans, looting and fighting their way to a match and doing the same on the return journey. Motorway services were scenes of constant battles, our Rag neighbours were both sinners and sinned against, again mainly by the dippers. I was there throughout it. I took my 7 year old step son to City v Leeds, I took him in the Platt Lane thinking it would be safe, it is the only match I have ever left early. I Left due to the constant battles. Pitch invasions in an attempt to attack the other away supporters were a regular occurrence and the reason why fences went up. Yes Hillsborough proved they were deadly and therefore wrong but at the time it was thought to be the answer.
I am off to Porto now so wont be able to reply to anything but I am glad those violent and frightening days are long behind us.
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Enjoy Porto lad. Hope to fuck you come back with a massive smile on your face.
 
Its hard to see how police officers fabricating evidence that exonerated their role in the deaths of 96 people can get off scott free with peverting the course of justice. When everyone else can get sent down for 6mths for taking three speeding points for someone else which is also perverting the course of justice. Something very wrong with the system that allows this.
 
Blue Mist said:
Why is it a cover up ? Why can't people accept that these people did not break the law. Why would a very well respected judge lie and say these men did not break the law and there is no case to answer.
The whole thing was a charade to appease people who had innocent family members die.
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96 people were unlawfully killed, and there has only been one minor conviction (a stadium health and safety officer fined £6.5k) in the 32 years since - that smacks of a cover up to me. I think the CPS probably did fuck up in this instance, but the complete lack of accountability for this tragedy on the whole is pretty disturbing imo.
 
Ric said:
96 people were unlawfully killed, and there has only been one minor conviction (a stadium health and safety officer fined £6.5k) in the 32 years since - that smacks of a cover up to me. I think the CPS probably did fuck up in this instance, but the complete lack of accountability for this tragedy on the whole is pretty disturbing imo.
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lack of accountability in all respects.
 
Blue Mist said:
I am sorry but along with lots of other fake news 'all football fans were treated like scum' is now an accepted 'fact'. Decent fans were treated like decent people but I remember running battles in the Kippax when many away fans tried to 'take' the Kippax. The photo of the blue with a dart in his head at the swamp. There were very serious assaults and even murders committed by hooligans, Europe was plagued by feral mobs of English fans, mainly it has to be said Liverpool fans, looting and fighting their way to a match and doing the same on the return journey. Motorway services were scenes of constant battles, our Rag neighbours were both sinners and sinned against, again mainly by the dippers. I was there throughout it. I took my 7 year old step son to City v Leeds, I took him in the Platt Lane thinking it would be safe, it is the only match I have ever left early. I Left due to the constant battles. Pitch invasions in an attempt to attack the other away supporters were a regular occurrence and the reason why fences went up. Yes Hillsborough proved they were deadly and therefore wrong but at the time it was thought to be the answer.
I am off to Porto now so wont be able to reply to anything but I am glad those violent and frightening days are long behind us.
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Sorry, but I never behaved as scum, I was not a hooligan, and even back then could not fight my way out of a wet paper bag. I never, ever went looking for trouble. I just went to watch the football. Yet I have vivid memories of being pushed around (physically) by bullying coppers, of being herded like sheep and of being spoken to like I was the shit on their shoes. We were all lumped together, because some of us were apt to kick off. I just accepted being treated like dirt, but some lads responded more boldly and got into trouble.

It may have been different, of course, if you rocked up in a three-piece suit and went into the main stand or the directors' box after parking your Bentley, but that was my experience.
 
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