Liverpool thread 2020/21

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GornikDaze said:
I’ll never forget that drive back from Blackburn listening to the horror unfolding on the radio. A black day for football and as you say, it could have been anyone involved on the day
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It was a horrible day. We got leathered 4-0 by a promotion rival but apart from a massed punch up with some gloating Blackburn fans outside the ground and on the way back to the station, nothing seemed real anymore.
Kids younger than us, just like us, had gone to a game and didn’t come home.
I was about 17-18 at the time and that night the uni students a few doors down were having a house party. Apparently I was on a promise with at least three of them, all girls before you ask. Two of them were fit as fuck.
I stayed in. I felt sickened to the stomach and glad to be alive.
(My brother who was working in the morning and so missed the game shagged two of them)
 
the police and media set out to influence public opinion re hillsborough. the unprecedented decision of the coroner to take blood alcohol levels of everyone who died( bearing in mind the ages of some who died) was obviously influenced by the police statements of excessive drinking. SYP aggressively confronting families re the drinking habits of their loved ones as they lay dead nearby showed where their priorities lay. saying that the gates had been broken down with large groups of ticketless fans outside all created a picture of a baying mob. basic stewarding and funnelling fans into sections of the stadium would have prevented many deaths. if being drunk and incapable due to intoxication was a reasonable excuse for death the city and town centres would have no one left. imagine nearly a hundred people dying in a nightclub? truth is football fans were treated as scum and little attempt was made initially to help them. the sheffield star only days later spoke of how liverpool fans had attacked rescue workers and stole from the dead, even urinating on police as they tended to victims. they even spoke of sex jibes over a girls corpse-
 
Yeah, I hate Liverpool, but I'm on their side when it comes to Hillsborough and tbh a lot of Everton fans are. Everton fans lost friends and family that day too. My uncle was at our game with Villa and when he came out, he saw a load of people standing around a car looking shaken, and they were listening to the news from Hillsborough, and at that point the death toll was in the thirties and it kept going up. And if we'd been drawn against Forest? 96 Everton fans wouldn't have come home.

The Sun did not tell home truths, the stories about fans pissing on the dead and robbing them were lies. And let's not forget some of the people who died were children. Imagine your child going to a football match and never coming home again.
 
LongsightM13 said:
Didn’t they knock us out at Maine Road in the 5th/6th round that year?
There is a lot to dislike about that club and its fanbase, and I have no love for them whatsoever, as regular readers of this thread will realise. But not this.
The exact same thing could have happened to any big away following anywhere in the 80s. It could quite easily have been us if we had a better team.
I’ll always remember being at Ewood Park that day for Gerry Taggart’s darkest hour and the two coppers stood behind us gleefully telling anyone in earshot that ‘the cup semi is abandoned, the fucking Scousers are at it again”
Post Heysel, pretty much everyone nodded. We didn’t know but the fix was already in.
The true horror only unfolded as we got back to Victoria Station. One guy made a wisecrack and got battered all over the platform.
Some of them were only schoolkids. When I think of children the same age as my City-mad, season ticket holder nieces and nephews actually dying at a match is beyond belief nowadays.
As for those defending this verdict, there are countless instances of the judiciary siding with the establishment and probable Masonic links over the interests of justice and the interests of the people. The cases of many like the Birmingham 6, Guildford 4, McGuire 7 etc show you that.
Hundreds have died in police custody over the last 40-50 years yet there has been I think one successful prosecution ever.
Don’t insult anybody’s intelligence by claiming the independence of the judiciary. They are products of a system designed to protect that same system
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I was at the Blackburn game where we lost 4-0, there was no inkling 96 had died, no where near. As you say they were innocent young people on the whole. However I've never heard one "fan" admit they went there without a ticket and forced their way in, they had form for it and they were not blameless, it was ultra sad for the kids that died and their families, nothing can bring any solace for them. Trying to campaign to get old men jailed for something they had no premeditation for is just wrong. Those guys went to work and fucked up, they were under a kind of pressure that no one has any previous experience of.
 
I remember going to Oxford away two weeks after Hillsborough and the City fans singing You'll Never Walk Alone before the match. There was real genuine sympathy for Liverpool amongst all match-going fans along with the knowledge that it could have easily happened to them.
 
hammocity said:
I was at the Blackburn game where we lost 4-0, there was no inkling 96 had died, no where near. As you say they were innocent young people on the whole. However I've never heard one "fan" admit they went there without a ticket and forced their way in, they had form for it and they were not blameless, it was ultra sad for the kids that died and their families, nothing can bring any solace for them. Trying to campaign to get old men jailed for something they had no premeditation for is just wrong. Those guys went to work and fucked up, they were under a kind of pressure that no one has any previous experience of.
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I’m sorry but all that supposition was factually, legally and thoroughly destroyed at the inquests. It could have been anyone who went away in numbers in the 80s, us included.
When you watch footage of the 81 semi v Ipswich at Villa Park, our end looks great but compared to the adjacent Norfolk section it does look mentally overcrowded in retrospect.
There are about 1,000 blues heading to Portugal this weekend without a ticket in the middle of a global pandemic and in the most hostile conditions peacetime football fans have ever known. Loads of blues have jibbed in at Wembley in recent years. No difference
 
shackattack said:
the police and media set out to influence public opinion re hillsborough. the unprecedented decision of the coroner to take blood alcohol levels of everyone who died( bearing in mind the ages of some who died) was obviously influenced by the police statements of excessive drinking. SYP aggressively confronting families re the drinking habits of their loved ones as they lay dead nearby showed where their priorities lay. saying that the gates had been broken down with large groups of ticketless fans outside all created a picture of a baying mob. basic stewarding and funnelling fans into sections of the stadium would have prevented many deaths. if being drunk and incapable due to intoxication was a reasonable excuse for death the city and town centres would have no one left. imagine nearly a hundred people dying in a nightclub? truth is football fans were treated as scum and little attempt was made initially to help them. the sheffield star only days later spoke of how liverpool fans had attacked rescue workers and stole from the dead, even urinating on police as they tended to victims. they even spoke of sex jibes over a girls corpse-
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The nightclub analogy nails it G
 
LongsightM13 said:
Didn’t they knock us out at Maine Road in the 5th/6th round that year?
There is a lot to dislike about that club and its fanbase, and I have no love for them whatsoever, as regular readers of this thread will realise. But not this.
The exact same thing could have happened to any big away following anywhere in the 80s. It could quite easily have been us if we had a better team.
I’ll always remember being at Ewood Park that day for Gerry Taggart’s darkest hour and the two coppers stood behind us gleefully telling anyone in earshot that ‘the cup semi is abandoned, the fucking Scousers are at it again”
Post Heysel, pretty much everyone nodded. We didn’t know but the fix was already in.
The true horror only unfolded as we got back to Victoria Station. One guy made a wisecrack and got battered all over the platform.
Some of them were only schoolkids. When I think of children the same age as my City-mad, season ticket holder nieces and nephews actually dying at a match is beyond belief nowadays.
As for those defending this verdict, there are countless instances of the judiciary siding with the establishment and probable Masonic links over the interests of justice and the interests of the people. The cases of many like the Birmingham 6, Guildford 4, McGuire 7 etc show you that.
Hundreds have died in police custody over the last 40-50 years yet there has been I think one successful prosecution ever.
Don’t insult anybody’s intelligence by claiming the independence of the judiciary. They are products of a system designed to protect that same system
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A brilliant post. Nailed it. It's not about us and Liverpool. In those times it was ALL football fans v the establishment. Unless you were there you will never understand.
 
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