Liverpool thread 2020/21

[WestGorton]

Didn’t they knock us out at Maine Road in the 5th/6th round that year?
There is a lot to dislike about that club and its fanbase, and I have no love for them whatsoever, as regular readers of this thread will realise. But not this.
The exact same thing could have happened to any big away following anywhere in the 80s. It could quite easily have been us if we had a better team.
I’ll always remember being at Ewood Park that day for Gerry Taggart’s darkest hour and the two coppers stood behind us gleefully telling anyone in earshot that ‘the cup semi is abandoned, the fucking Scousers are at it again”
Post Heysel, pretty much everyone nodded. We didn’t know but the fix was already in.
The true horror only unfolded as we got back to Victoria Station. One guy made a wisecrack and got battered all over the platform.
Some of them were only schoolkids. When I think of children the same age as my City-mad, season ticket holder nieces and nephews actually dying at a match is beyond belief nowadays.
As for those defending this verdict, there are countless instances of the judiciary siding with the establishment and probable Masonic links over the interests of justice and the interests of the people. The cases of many like the Birmingham 6, Guildford 4, McGuire 7 etc show you that.
Hundreds have died in police custody over the last 40-50 years yet there has been I think one successful prosecution ever.
Don’t insult anybody’s intelligence by claiming the independence of the judiciary. They are products of a system designed to protect that same system

I was at Blackburn too and heard as we left the ground. Harrowing

 

[willipp]

It was a horrible day. We got leathered 4-0 by a promotion rival but apart from a massed punch up with some gloating Blackburn fans outside the ground and on the way back to the station, nothing seemed real anymore.
Kids younger than us, just like us, had gone to a game and didn’t come home.
I was about 17-18 at the time and that night the uni students a few doors down were having a house party. Apparently I was on a promise with at least three of them, all girls before you ask. Two of them were fit as fuck.
I stayed in. I felt sickened to the stomach and glad to be alive.
(My brother who was working in the morning and so missed the game shagged two of them)

It was hard to comprehend in the days where everything wasnt immediately accessible via social media. I was in the blackburn end that day with my dad and there were some boxes behind me with TV's in and it was clear that something was going on and everyones first thought was it was trouble caused by the fans.

I remember walking back to the car and you could sense something bad was happening and then i remember hearing someone saying something like 3 people were dead and it just blew me away. By the time we got back to the car and put the radio on that number was already rising fast and i dont think me and my dad hardly said a word all the way home. It was just a football match and yet people were dead, just didnt make any sense to me at the time and proper shook me up.

 

[Bobby the blue]

I read a book a few weeks ago called “ voices of Hillsborough “
Just awful reading about the experiences some of the families went through and how they were treated. Just appalling really. Although each story Is horrific when I read about a fan called inger sah ( forgive me if I have spelt the name wrong) it just left me feeling a real deep sense of sorrow. She attended the game and sadly died and her kids were left orphaned.

I’ve tried to read a few books regarding the disaster over the years and watched that documentary that was made a few years back. I have always felt that there is a lot more to the whole day and build up that has never been looked at.

After yesterday’s court results i don’t really know what else is left for the families of the bereaved now.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

A brilliant post. Nailed it. It's not about us and Liverpool. In those times it was ALL football fans v the establishment. Unless you were there you will never understand.

I was; it wasn't.

 

[shackattack]

i think as well we have to remember the time in which it happened. general apathy and often hatred towards football fans. after heysel there was a clear intention to cage/pen football fans in, not to protect them or for their safety. the general safety quality of football stadiums was generally poor to say the least-the facilities were not the same you would get in other areas of both sport and entertainment. the stadiums we have now are as a result of things like the taylor report and football related incidents such as hillsborough and bradford.

 

[Franny's toilet roll]

Didn’t they knock us out at Maine Road in the 5th/6th round that year?
There is a lot to dislike about that club and its fanbase, and I have no love for them whatsoever, as regular readers of this thread will realise. But not this.
The exact same thing could have happened to any big away following anywhere in the 80s. It could quite easily have been us if we had a better team.
I’ll always remember being at Ewood Park that day for Gerry Taggart’s darkest hour and the two coppers stood behind us gleefully telling anyone in earshot that ‘the cup semi is abandoned, the fucking Scousers are at it again”
Post Heysel, pretty much everyone nodded. We didn’t know but the fix was already in.
The true horror only unfolded as we got back to Victoria Station. One guy made a wisecrack and got battered all over the platform.
Some of them were only schoolkids. When I think of children the same age as my City-mad, season ticket holder nieces and nephews actually dying at a match is beyond belief nowadays.
As for those defending this verdict, there are countless instances of the judiciary siding with the establishment and probable Masonic links over the interests of justice and the interests of the people. The cases of many like the Birmingham 6, Guildford 4, McGuire 7 etc show you that.
Hundreds have died in police custody over the last 40-50 years yet there has been I think one successful prosecution ever.
Don’t insult anybody’s intelligence by claiming the independence of the judiciary. They are products of a system designed to protect that same system

Yet the judiciary went against the prosecution when the easiest thing would be to prosecute and find them guilty. Sometimetimes it just comes down to the evidence presented and whether it holds up to legal scrutiny. I was on a jury 10 years ago hearing a case against a man who was up for 3 counts of child rape. After a week we found him not guilty. The judge thanked us for reaching the decision

 

[BlueKolarovWorker]

On a slightly lighter note and bearing in mind, I try to give Liverpool as little praise as I can, just came across a video on twitter of them giving a guard of honour to their kitman, after 35 years of service. May have been mentioned elsewhere but lovely touch!

 

[Blue Mist]

The establishment protecting their own, as usual.

No it is the establishment following the law. It is strange that the only justice the Liverpool families want is one that suits them. Even if every person charged with an offence had been sent to prison for years they would have said it wasn't long enough. The prosecutions were done to appease not because any individual did anything wrong

 

[Blue Mist]

Another shameful cover up from the establishment. It's a disgrace that no one has been held truly accountable. Feel for the families and survivors.

Why is it a cover up ? Why can't people accept that these people did not break the law. Why would a very well respected judge lie and say these men did not break the law and there is no case to answer.
The whole thing was a charade to appease people who had innocent family members die.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Didn’t they knock us out at Maine Road in the 5th/6th round that year?
There is a lot to dislike about that club and its fanbase, and I have no love for them whatsoever, as regular readers of this thread will realise. But not this.
The exact same thing could have happened to any big away following anywhere in the 80s. It could quite easily have been us if we had a better team.
I’ll always remember being at Ewood Park that day for Gerry Taggart’s darkest hour and the two coppers stood behind us gleefully telling anyone in earshot that ‘the cup semi is abandoned, the fucking Scousers are at it again”
Post Heysel, pretty much everyone nodded. We didn’t know but the fix was already in.
The true horror only unfolded as we got back to Victoria Station. One guy made a wisecrack and got battered all over the platform.
Some of them were only schoolkids. When I think of children the same age as my City-mad, season ticket holder nieces and nephews actually dying at a match is beyond belief nowadays.
As for those defending this verdict, there are countless instances of the judiciary siding with the establishment and probable Masonic links over the interests of justice and the interests of the people. The cases of many like the Birmingham 6, Guildford 4, McGuire 7 etc show you that.
Hundreds have died in police custody over the last 40-50 years yet there has been I think one successful prosecution ever.
Don’t insult anybody’s intelligence by claiming the independence of the judiciary. They are products of a system designed to protect that same system

Great post mate. Both ways.