Liverpool thread 2020/21

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LongsightM13 said:
Didn’t they knock us out at Maine Road in the 5th/6th round that year?
There is a lot to dislike about that club and its fanbase, and I have no love for them whatsoever, as regular readers of this thread will realise. But not this.
The exact same thing could have happened to any big away following anywhere in the 80s. It could quite easily have been us if we had a better team.
I’ll always remember being at Ewood Park that day for Gerry Taggart’s darkest hour and the two coppers stood behind us gleefully telling anyone in earshot that ‘the cup semi is abandoned, the fucking Scousers are at it again”
Post Heysel, pretty much everyone nodded. We didn’t know but the fix was already in.
The true horror only unfolded as we got back to Victoria Station. One guy made a wisecrack and got battered all over the platform.
Some of them were only schoolkids. When I think of children the same age as my City-mad, season ticket holder nieces and nephews actually dying at a match is beyond belief nowadays.
As for those defending this verdict, there are countless instances of the judiciary siding with the establishment and probable Masonic links over the interests of justice and the interests of the people. The cases of many like the Birmingham 6, Guildford 4, McGuire 7 etc show you that.
Hundreds have died in police custody over the last 40-50 years yet there has been I think one successful prosecution ever.
Don’t insult anybody’s intelligence by claiming the independence of the judiciary. They are products of a system designed to protect that same system
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I was at Blackburn too and heard as we left the ground. Harrowing
 
LongsightM13 said:
It was a horrible day. We got leathered 4-0 by a promotion rival but apart from a massed punch up with some gloating Blackburn fans outside the ground and on the way back to the station, nothing seemed real anymore.
Kids younger than us, just like us, had gone to a game and didn’t come home.
I was about 17-18 at the time and that night the uni students a few doors down were having a house party. Apparently I was on a promise with at least three of them, all girls before you ask. Two of them were fit as fuck.
I stayed in. I felt sickened to the stomach and glad to be alive.
(My brother who was working in the morning and so missed the game shagged two of them)
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It was hard to comprehend in the days where everything wasnt immediately accessible via social media. I was in the blackburn end that day with my dad and there were some boxes behind me with TV's in and it was clear that something was going on and everyones first thought was it was trouble caused by the fans.

I remember walking back to the car and you could sense something bad was happening and then i remember hearing someone saying something like 3 people were dead and it just blew me away. By the time we got back to the car and put the radio on that number was already rising fast and i dont think me and my dad hardly said a word all the way home. It was just a football match and yet people were dead, just didnt make any sense to me at the time and proper shook me up.
 
I read a book a few weeks ago called “ voices of Hillsborough “
Just awful reading about the experiences some of the families went through and how they were treated. Just appalling really. Although each story Is horrific when I read about a fan called inger sah ( forgive me if I have spelt the name wrong) it just left me feeling a real deep sense of sorrow. She attended the game and sadly died and her kids were left orphaned.

I’ve tried to read a few books regarding the disaster over the years and watched that documentary that was made a few years back. I have always felt that there is a lot more to the whole day and build up that has never been looked at.

After yesterday’s court results i don’t really know what else is left for the families of the bereaved now.
 
i think as well we have to remember the time in which it happened. general apathy and often hatred towards football fans. after heysel there was a clear intention to cage/pen football fans in, not to protect them or for their safety. the general safety quality of football stadiums was generally poor to say the least-the facilities were not the same you would get in other areas of both sport and entertainment. the stadiums we have now are as a result of things like the taylor report and football related incidents such as hillsborough and bradford.
 
LongsightM13 said:
Didn’t they knock us out at Maine Road in the 5th/6th round that year?
There is a lot to dislike about that club and its fanbase, and I have no love for them whatsoever, as regular readers of this thread will realise. But not this.
The exact same thing could have happened to any big away following anywhere in the 80s. It could quite easily have been us if we had a better team.
I’ll always remember being at Ewood Park that day for Gerry Taggart’s darkest hour and the two coppers stood behind us gleefully telling anyone in earshot that ‘the cup semi is abandoned, the fucking Scousers are at it again”
Post Heysel, pretty much everyone nodded. We didn’t know but the fix was already in.
The true horror only unfolded as we got back to Victoria Station. One guy made a wisecrack and got battered all over the platform.
Some of them were only schoolkids. When I think of children the same age as my City-mad, season ticket holder nieces and nephews actually dying at a match is beyond belief nowadays.
As for those defending this verdict, there are countless instances of the judiciary siding with the establishment and probable Masonic links over the interests of justice and the interests of the people. The cases of many like the Birmingham 6, Guildford 4, McGuire 7 etc show you that.
Hundreds have died in police custody over the last 40-50 years yet there has been I think one successful prosecution ever.
Don’t insult anybody’s intelligence by claiming the independence of the judiciary. They are products of a system designed to protect that same system
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Yet the judiciary went against the prosecution when the easiest thing would be to prosecute and find them guilty. Sometimetimes it just comes down to the evidence presented and whether it holds up to legal scrutiny. I was on a jury 10 years ago hearing a case against a man who was up for 3 counts of child rape. After a week we found him not guilty. The judge thanked us for reaching the decision
 
On a slightly lighter note and bearing in mind, I try to give Liverpool as little praise as I can, just came across a video on twitter of them giving a guard of honour to their kitman, after 35 years of service. May have been mentioned elsewhere but lovely touch!
 
lancs blue said:
The establishment protecting their own, as usual.
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No it is the establishment following the law. It is strange that the only justice the Liverpool families want is one that suits them. Even if every person charged with an offence had been sent to prison for years they would have said it wasn't long enough. The prosecutions were done to appease not because any individual did anything wrong
 
Ric said:
Another shameful cover up from the establishment. It's a disgrace that no one has been held truly accountable. Feel for the families and survivors.
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Why is it a cover up ? Why can't people accept that these people did not break the law. Why would a very well respected judge lie and say these men did not break the law and there is no case to answer.
The whole thing was a charade to appease people who had innocent family members die.
 
LongsightM13 said:
Didn’t they knock us out at Maine Road in the 5th/6th round that year?
There is a lot to dislike about that club and its fanbase, and I have no love for them whatsoever, as regular readers of this thread will realise. But not this.
The exact same thing could have happened to any big away following anywhere in the 80s. It could quite easily have been us if we had a better team.
I’ll always remember being at Ewood Park that day for Gerry Taggart’s darkest hour and the two coppers stood behind us gleefully telling anyone in earshot that ‘the cup semi is abandoned, the fucking Scousers are at it again”
Post Heysel, pretty much everyone nodded. We didn’t know but the fix was already in.
The true horror only unfolded as we got back to Victoria Station. One guy made a wisecrack and got battered all over the platform.
Some of them were only schoolkids. When I think of children the same age as my City-mad, season ticket holder nieces and nephews actually dying at a match is beyond belief nowadays.
As for those defending this verdict, there are countless instances of the judiciary siding with the establishment and probable Masonic links over the interests of justice and the interests of the people. The cases of many like the Birmingham 6, Guildford 4, McGuire 7 etc show you that.
Hundreds have died in police custody over the last 40-50 years yet there has been I think one successful prosecution ever.
Don’t insult anybody’s intelligence by claiming the independence of the judiciary. They are products of a system designed to protect that same system
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Great post mate. Both ways.
 
Those of you who remember 1989 know that back then all football fans were treated like scum, certainly by cops at away matches and often by the clubs. It was the way it was. LFC fans had a bad rep, and lots of people rushed to judgement. I believe Thatcher and many of her clique would have been happy to see the game die, and in that atmosphere, the police and the 'football establishment' were given the credibility they did not deserve. There was a 'political' aspect to this and it's use kidding ourselves that there wasn't. The press had been going on about football hooliganism for years and the curtain-twitchers of middle England had no sympathy whatever for football fans.

Yes, I believe it could have happened to us or any other team. Hillsborough was an outdated dump - as were many grounds - and the coppers managed the whole thing disastrously.
 
BrianW said:
Those of you who remember 1989 know that back then all football fans were treated like scum, certainly by cops at away matches and often by the clubs. It was the way it was. LFC fans had a bad rep, and lots of people rushed to judgement. I believe Thatcher and many of her clique would have been happy to see the game die, and in that atmosphere, the police and the 'football establishment' were given the credibility they did not deserve. There was a 'political' aspect to this and it's use kidding ourselves that there wasn't. The press had been going on about football hooliganism for years and the curtain-twitchers of middle England had no sympathy whatever for football fans.

Yes, I believe it could have happened to us or any other team. Hillsborough was an outdated dump - as were many grounds - and the coppers managed the whole thing disastrously.
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I am sorry but along with lots of other fake news 'all football fans were treated like scum' is now an accepted 'fact'. Decent fans were treated like decent people but I remember running battles in the Kippax when many away fans tried to 'take' the Kippax. The photo of the blue with a dart in his head at the swamp. There were very serious assaults and even murders committed by hooligans, Europe was plagued by feral mobs of English fans, mainly it has to be said Liverpool fans, looting and fighting their way to a match and doing the same on the return journey. Motorway services were scenes of constant battles, our Rag neighbours were both sinners and sinned against, again mainly by the dippers. I was there throughout it. I took my 7 year old step son to City v Leeds, I took him in the Platt Lane thinking it would be safe, it is the only match I have ever left early. I Left due to the constant battles. Pitch invasions in an attempt to attack the other away supporters were a regular occurrence and the reason why fences went up. Yes Hillsborough proved they were deadly and therefore wrong but at the time it was thought to be the answer.
I am off to Porto now so wont be able to reply to anything but I am glad those violent and frightening days are long behind us.
 
Blue Mist said:
Why is it a cover up ? Why can't people accept that these people did not break the law. Why would a very well respected judge lie and say these men did not break the law and there is no case to answer.
The whole thing was a charade to appease people who had innocent family members die.
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Mate. Seriously. The judiciary in this country have been complicit in many, many fuck ups and cover ups. Don't think they're not political animals themselves.

The Scousers have been done over here. As much as many dislike them on here, in this instance they definitely are the victims.
 
Blue Mist said:
I am sorry but along with lots of other fake news 'all football fans were treated like scum' is now an accepted 'fact'. Decent fans were treated like decent people but I remember running battles in the Kippax when many away fans tried to 'take' the Kippax. The photo of the blue with a dart in his head at the swamp. There were very serious assaults and even murders committed by hooligans, Europe was plagued by feral mobs of English fans, mainly it has to be said Liverpool fans, looting and fighting their way to a match and doing the same on the return journey. Motorway services were scenes of constant battles, our Rag neighbours were both sinners and sinned against, again mainly by the dippers. I was there throughout it. I took my 7 year old step son to City v Leeds, I took him in the Platt Lane thinking it would be safe, it is the only match I have ever left early. I Left due to the constant battles. Pitch invasions in an attempt to attack the other away supporters were a regular occurrence and the reason why fences went up. Yes Hillsborough proved they were deadly and therefore wrong but at the time it was thought to be the answer.
I am off to Porto now so wont be able to reply to anything but I am glad those violent and frightening days are long behind us.
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Enjoy Porto lad. Hope to fuck you come back with a massive smile on your face.
 
Its hard to see how police officers fabricating evidence that exonerated their role in the deaths of 96 people can get off scott free with peverting the course of justice. When everyone else can get sent down for 6mths for taking three speeding points for someone else which is also perverting the course of justice. Something very wrong with the system that allows this.
 
Blue Mist said:
Why is it a cover up ? Why can't people accept that these people did not break the law. Why would a very well respected judge lie and say these men did not break the law and there is no case to answer.
The whole thing was a charade to appease people who had innocent family members die.
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96 people were unlawfully killed, and there has only been one minor conviction (a stadium health and safety officer fined £6.5k) in the 32 years since - that smacks of a cover up to me. I think the CPS probably did fuck up in this instance, but the complete lack of accountability for this tragedy on the whole is pretty disturbing imo.
 
Ric said:
96 people were unlawfully killed, and there has only been one minor conviction (a stadium health and safety officer fined £6.5k) in the 32 years since - that smacks of a cover up to me. I think the CPS probably did fuck up in this instance, but the complete lack of accountability for this tragedy on the whole is pretty disturbing imo.
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lack of accountability in all respects.
 
Blue Mist said:
I am sorry but along with lots of other fake news 'all football fans were treated like scum' is now an accepted 'fact'. Decent fans were treated like decent people but I remember running battles in the Kippax when many away fans tried to 'take' the Kippax. The photo of the blue with a dart in his head at the swamp. There were very serious assaults and even murders committed by hooligans, Europe was plagued by feral mobs of English fans, mainly it has to be said Liverpool fans, looting and fighting their way to a match and doing the same on the return journey. Motorway services were scenes of constant battles, our Rag neighbours were both sinners and sinned against, again mainly by the dippers. I was there throughout it. I took my 7 year old step son to City v Leeds, I took him in the Platt Lane thinking it would be safe, it is the only match I have ever left early. I Left due to the constant battles. Pitch invasions in an attempt to attack the other away supporters were a regular occurrence and the reason why fences went up. Yes Hillsborough proved they were deadly and therefore wrong but at the time it was thought to be the answer.
I am off to Porto now so wont be able to reply to anything but I am glad those violent and frightening days are long behind us.
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Sorry, but I never behaved as scum, I was not a hooligan, and even back then could not fight my way out of a wet paper bag. I never, ever went looking for trouble. I just went to watch the football. Yet I have vivid memories of being pushed around (physically) by bullying coppers, of being herded like sheep and of being spoken to like I was the shit on their shoes. We were all lumped together, because some of us were apt to kick off. I just accepted being treated like dirt, but some lads responded more boldly and got into trouble.

It may have been different, of course, if you rocked up in a three-piece suit and went into the main stand or the directors' box after parking your Bentley, but that was my experience.
 
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