Liverpool Thread - 2021/22

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FightLikeAGirl said:
I was wondering if any of my fellow Evertonians on here would mention the trouble our fans had in Lille during the Martinez years. I wasn't there but I remember people on Grand Old Team posting some real horror stories about the French police kicking off.

On another note, I'm learning Italian at the moment and I've just been given the sentence 'c'è il rischio che la squadra perda' ('there is the risk that the squad loses/will lose'). Made me think of Liverpool and Ancelotti.
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I was in Lille and the police had a zero tolerance attitude and you could sense something happening. A group of plain clothes police were trapped on one side of the square and they fired tear gas indiscriminately to reach their fellow officers. Everton as a club never even complained about it, and it was never really mentioned again. At the stadium they held us back at metro stations and caused crushes by lack of organisation and funnelling fans away.
If you travel away to countries such as Italy, France and Spain you get used to it.
Liverpool rightly got massive support over their Hillsborough campaign but now try to use it as a get out of jail card if anyone challenges them over their fan's behaviour. Either trouble follows them around weirdly or they have to accept some form of culpability
 
west didsblue said:
Hillsborough has been investigated more than any other tragedy and trying to re-apportion blame based on points that will have been thoroughly reviewed and at odds with the conclusion of numerous independent reports is just wrong. Whilst undoubtedly there was poor behaviour from some at that match like at any other match ever, it has long since been accepted that it was not a contributory factor. The fact that you can't accept that zero blame was apportioned to their fans means that you're wilfully ignoring all the evidence of major failings by SYP and the stadium management who were finally forced to accept full responsibility. There's no shortage of bad behaviour by dippers in lots of other situations where they can be legitimately criticised but you should leave Hillsborough out of it because of the weight of evidence that was amassed that disproves that point.
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I believe one of the failings of SYP were the opening of the turnstiles and gates.
So why did that mp from Liverpool suggest that's what the Paris police should have done
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Not scrolled back so maybe you have already commented but whats your view on what happened saturday night? Being honest.

and also are you a scouse liverpool fan or an out of towner?
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So far all I’ve seen is fans, including kids getting pepper sprayed for not much reason and a video of some locals battling the police. But being honest I’ve no idea as wasn’t there. But mates who were have said it was bad. There 2 hours early but closed gates on them then told genuine tickets were fakes.
I’m an OOT wool now but originally from Tuebrook.
 
bluetonium said:
That's an incredible number. Needs investigation on how they got hold of them, were the tickets copies or designed from a leaked template etc? If there's enough pressure, ironically from Liverpool themselves demanding an investigation, then we may find out more from the french as they won't want to be labelled as at fault.

Could be that UEFA's own personnel it their sponsors willingly or unknowingly gave this info to people capable of using it to create the fakes.

It's another example of Liverpool fans going over the top, and likely not being pulled up on it again. They'll wreck a bus to gain a competitive advantage, hack databases, jib in knowing other genuine fans either lose out or are at risk of injury...it's the mindset of the moronic and they've excelled at it for decades
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It's a very high number and one that's hard to ascertain i guess. But, let's say you have a blag ticket, your likely to try and get in the ground early( as you don't want to meet the genuine ticket holder as you take their seat) or you get turned away from one gate, so you try several others. There will no doubt have been thousands of fakes doing the rounds as there was money to be made.


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Kippaxpete said:
Following extract from the Guardian. Just let this sink in.
About 70% of tickets presented by about 62,000 Liverpool fans were fake, the French interior minister said, and whereas 97% of Real Madrid fans had made it to their seats by the original 9pm kick-off time, only 50% of Liverpool supporters had reached their stands by then. Liverpool received an allocation of 19,618 tickets.
“Manifestly, this kind of incident only seems to happen with certain English clubs,” Darmanin said, noting that there had been difficulties at the Liverpool-Tottenham Champions League final in Madrid in 2019 and at matches at Wembley.
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So with an allocation of 19,618 tickets 62,000 dippers holding tickets attempted to enter the stadium..
Sommats up... ;)
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Good post. The tragedy at Hillsborough was caused by too many people being funelled into one pen. There was plenty of space in other nearby sections. The total capacity of the stand was not exceeded. There has never been any evidence of significant problems with ticketess fans at that match.
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So if I understand correctly, the Police were right to have the gates opened ,because there was plenty of room on the stand? How were the fans funnelled? Or was It the fans that caused the problem by all making for closest entrance.
 
its grim up north said:
So if I understand correctly, the Police were right to have the gates opened ,because there was plenty of room on the stand? How were the fans funnelled? Or was It the fans that caused the problem by all making for closest entrance.
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I think it has never been disputed by anyone that opening the gates was a mistake. If you know Hillsborough it was the nearest tunnel to the gate that they all went down it and that's what caused most of the crush. As has been said before, the stadium was a death-trap without even a safety licence. It was always dangerous in the Lepping Lane before it became all-seated.
 
EL APACHE TEVEZ said:
Some of us on here Know the truth Dukenfield was hung out to dry
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Shame they didn't call you as an expert witness to the independent inquiry then isn't it? Bit like all those Liverpool fans who know all about our finances and never got called by CAS.

Duckenfield manifestly failed in his duty of care at every stage, knew he'd failed, lied to cover his tracks and got the whole establishment to do the same. He was negligent & directly complicit in those deaths.
 
west didsblue said:
Hillsborough has been investigated more than any other tragedy and trying to re-apportion blame based on points that will have been thoroughly reviewed and at odds with the conclusion of numerous independent reports is just wrong. Whilst undoubtedly there was poor behaviour from some at that match like at any other match ever, it has long since been accepted that it was not a contributory factor. The fact that you can't accept that zero blame was apportioned to their fans means that you're wilfully ignoring all the evidence of major failings by SYP and the stadium management who were finally forced to accept full responsibility. There's no shortage of bad behaviour by dippers in lots of other situations where they can be legitimately criticised but you should leave Hillsborough out of it because of the weight of evidence that was amassed that disproves that point.
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Well said. It also serves to undermine warranted criticism of their actual reprehensible conduct as it allows them to deploy Hillsborough as a shield.
 
Let's get one thing straight. The way the British media have come rushing to defend them before the real truth about fake tickets comes out shows Pep was right about the media bias towards Liverpool. Anyone else the media would reserve judgement until they had a better grasp of the facts. So if somehow the dippers come out of this smelling of roses then within the next decade or two those journalists who have turned a blind eye to their obnoxious behaviour will have blood on their hands when the inevitable happens and there is another tragedy involving the red dippers.
The longer they are given a free pass, the further away from heysel we get and the nearer we are becoming to another footballing catastrophe
 
Last night was disgusting. My son attacked my wife mugged @UEFAcom very accountable as well as ground stewards and French police. Hope everyone is getting out of this shitshow safely. #LFC #LFCFamily
Tweeted by Jason Mcateer who has a very poor understanding of the English language. A few apostrophes and it's a totally different story.
 
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