What I'm disputing is the connection between these two things. Hillsborough was not a consequence of overcrowding. The Leppings Lane end as a whole was not overcrowded - the number of people in the stand at 3pm did not exceed the number of tickets sold. The problem was that because of the failure of the police to manage the crowd properly on the day, fans were directed overwhelmingly into the two central pens while the side pens were significantly under capacity.
I'd also add that UEFA and the French government have changed their story so many times already; I don't know why you'd trust them. First there was '30,000-40,000 fake tickets.' Now it's about 2,000. You really think that 2,000 fake tickets caused those scenes?
Well, maybe I am with you. You seem to think that Hillsborough should prompt 'uncomfortable questions' of Liverpool. Like I say, if you want to know what actually happened I recommend the video.
I trust my eyes and videos I have seen, I trust my experiences with jibbing scousers and their behaviour.
The French government didn't force that arsehole of a manager you have to call for scousers to converge on Paris, the French government didn't force LFC to ask for paper tickets, own your mistakes and stop hiding behind Hillsborough every time you fuck up.
The difference between Taa and Cancelo is staggeringNo but I did see him not playing yesterday... #overrated
Yeh LFC fans made the comparison, but they didn't say anything about overcrowding because it's not relevant
What I'm disputing is the connection between these two things. Hillsborough was not a consequence of overcrowding. The Leppings Lane end as a whole was not overcrowded - the number of people in the stand at 3pm did not exceed the number of tickets sold. The problem was that because of the failure of the police to manage the crowd properly on the day, fans were directed overwhelmingly into the two central pens while the side pens were significantly under capacity.
I'd also add that UEFA and the French government have changed their story so many times already; I don't know why you'd trust them. First there was '30,000-40,000 fake tickets.' Now it's about 2,000. You really think that 2,000 fake tickets caused those scenes?
Ramsay is nowhere near ready for the EPL.Seems the right back at Aberdeen Ramsay maybe with the salah situation Klopp thinking about playing Trent in that position he seems to always push right up in games now. 3m though that’s cheap is he any good never seen him play must this money ball shit the scouse use.
Beginning of the endLooks like the dippers are starting on Salad.
Leaking stories they asjednhim not to play for Egypt and have a scan for an injury instead.
I think the 30-40k figure was fans without tickets rather than fake. The question about Hillsborough which I don't think was ever answered with any certainty, although I will stand corrected, is how many fans were there outside who didn't have tickets and how many turned up close to kick off.What I'm disputing is the connection between these two things. Hillsborough was not a consequence of overcrowding. The Leppings Lane end as a whole was not overcrowded - the number of people in the stand at 3pm did not exceed the number of tickets sold. The problem was that because of the failure of the police to manage the crowd properly on the day, fans were directed overwhelmingly into the two central pens while the side pens were significantly under capacity.
I'd also add that UEFA and the French government have changed their story so many times already; I don't know why you'd trust them. First there was '30,000-40,000 fake tickets.' Now it's about 2,000. You really think that 2,000 fake tickets caused those scenes?
Especially when they have asjednhim!!!Beginning of the end
How long before their feral fan base start with the death threats?Beginning of the end
Means Asthmatic in Egyptian....Especially when they have asjednhim!!!
But they did have a 'Victory Parade' on the anniversary of the Heysel disaster. That is exactly how much grief they have for the 39 dead fans in other words: absolutely zero. The date of the anniversary of Heysel meant nothing to them at all. Not even a third thought, never mind a second one. It didn't happen in their eyes. They have totally and blatantly ignored it. And with a compliant, supportive media it has literally gone away. To my knowledge not one single media outlet made a single comment about Liverpool's victory parade being held on the anniversary date of Heysel. None. For LFC to do what they did on that date is unforgivable. However, it sums them up to an absolute tee.Yes you are pissing in the wind, why are you pissing in the wind?
It's the cult of scouse and their media friends who drew the comparison between what happened in Paris and Hillsborough, they didn't compare the 2 events with Heysel for some reason.
It was even said that due to the scousers behaviour another Hillsborough was prevented, this prompted people to ask uncomfortable questions of liverpool and we all know they don't like answering questions.
If liverpool had any respect for anything they'd pump as much grief into the 39 fans they killed but they wont, the club is shit from top to bottom.
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I don't think paper tickets is unusual.Still waiting.
I'll ask you this question again.
'Why did Liverpool Football Club insist on paper tickets instead of digital tickets?'
The daily mail would love that in their comments section ;+)You're not. Most football fans, including City fans are aware of what happened at Hillsborough, and who was to blame.
What we don't agree with though, is that in the light of Liverpool's history, why do their fans continue to try to gain illegal access to football matches, resulting in overcrowding? Why do other Liverpool fans tolerate it? Why does the club encourage it? And when things go wrong as a result, why do Liverpool fans try to absolve themselves of all liability?
Nobody has said there were 20,000 40,000 fake tickets ,the french are quoting 2800ish fakes if they have got as far as the turnstiles before being found then that is a big problem to sortWhat I'm disputing is the connection between these two things. Hillsborough was not a consequence of overcrowding. The Leppings Lane end as a whole was not overcrowded - the number of people in the stand at 3pm did not exceed the number of tickets sold. The problem was that because of the failure of the police to manage the crowd properly on the day, fans were directed overwhelmingly into the two central pens while the side pens were significantly under capacity.
I'd also add that UEFA and the French government have changed their story so many times already; I don't know why you'd trust them. First there was '30,000-40,000 fake tickets.' Now it's about 2,000. You really think that 2,000 fake tickets caused those scenes?