Liverpool Thread - 2022/23

[bakerdave76]

salah paid tribute to the queen,some of the comments

 

[OccupiedPalestineBlues]

salah paid tribute to the queen,some of the comments

Go on then, I’ll have a guess.

Is the relationship between Salah (Egyptian playing for a USA owned club) and the now departed UK monarch; that Egypt’s the place where MI6 (her former majesties MI6) have a history of assisting the USA’s CIA to forcibly kidnap and render people to, for the purpose or imprisonment without trial (and that mediaeval torture thing that they call interrogation in those parts) before being flown on to that Guantanamo Bay torture camp that the Americans use because torture is technically illegal within the borders of the actual USA while human rights mean nothing to them beyond those borders?

Only a wild guess but right or wrong?

PS. That nearly got a bit ornithological as spell check changed border to birders.

PPS. If the connection is ornithological do I get half a point?

 

[philiph20]

Funny that. I was at Wolves on Saturday and from where I was stood, it was impeccably observed. There was a bit of background noise on the concourse from a few late arrivals immediately prior but I didn't hear anything during the silence. It's not like some loon on RAWK to make shit up.

They are demented, utter feral pond life.

 

[M18CTID]

salah paid tribute to the queen,some of the comments

Death threats incoming for Salah!

 

[KS55]

I posted this last week about this very subject after one of Tony Evans’ “woah is me” rants:


And why do they always claim to be more Irish than everywhere else?

“The truth is that the ingrained anti-Scouse bigotry (rooted in anti-Irishness) exists”

Manchester is 35% Irish, so is Birmingham, and London has more Irish than Liverpool Manchester and Birmingham put together.

Why do they always claim that Liverpool was treated differently to any other places in the North of England?

“The city has long been pushed to he margins of British life.”

Dock or pit towns and cities all over the North were all treated the same as Liverpool. Some places have never recovered while Liverpool has comparatively rocketed economically since. Have a walk around Liverpool and then have a walk around some other Northern towns and tell me Liverpool has been pushed to the margins of British life.

Top twenty most deprived regions in the UK​

• Tendring- around St Osyth and Seawick
• Blackpool- the Area near The Central Pier
• Blackpool- Around the Promenade by the North Pier
• Thanet- In Cliftonville West
• Blackpool- in the Region by the South Pier
• Tendring- in the Area by Clacton-On-The-Sea
• Blackpool- in the Region That Falls between Waterloo Road and St Chad’s Station
• Coventry- In the Area around Hillmorton Road In Henly
• Blackpool- In Woolman Road As Well As Clinton Avenue
• Waveney- In the Location of the South Pier in Lowestoft
• Blackpool-Around the Cookson Street
• Kingston upon Hull- near St John’s Grove
• North East Lincolnshire- In the Area That Is Around Oxford Street in Grimsby
• Burnley- The Area That Falls On Tay Street and Howard Street
• Burnley- The Region That Lies Between Belvedere Road and the Church Street
• Mansfield- In Sandy Lane
• Blackpool- In Carshalton Road As Well As Clevedon Road
• Blackburn with Darwen- The Region of Wensley Fold
• Great Yarmouth- By the Seafront

The 20 most deprived parts of England​

1. Middlesbrough
2. Burnley
3. Kingston upon Hull
4. Blackburn with Darwen
5. Stoke-on-Trent
6. Blackpool
7. Hackney
8. Nottingham
9. Thanet
10. Hastings
11. Great Yarmouth
12. Manchester
13. Oldham
14. Leicester
15. Rochdale
16. North East Lincolnshire
17. Newcastle-upon-Tyne
18. Salford
19. Bolton
20. Harlow

¼ of the top 20 are in Greater Manchester. Nowhere in Liverpool or anywhere in Merseyside (or North Wales where half their fans are from) get into either list, but it’s always “woah is me, woah for Liverpool”.

I mean fuck me, how well did they do off the back of the European Capital of Culture? Awarded to a city that was built off the back of slavery, was pro-slavery, was pro-Confederates (Roy Rawlinson said, "It is said more Confederate flags flew over Liverpool than Richmond [Virginia]”)… a capital of culture? And they wonder why everybody hates Liverpool?! It’s because of that, not because of anti-Irishness.

Their lack of acknowledgment of the fact that all Northern dock and pit towns were purposely driven down economically, with their economies ripped out from the towns, it’s quite astounding. They’re so insular and inward looking. It’s always all about them.

Some towns and cities really have been neglected and pushed to the margins of British life… but Liverpool isn’t one of them! The investment that city has had compared to many is huge: £1b on Liverpool One, £5.5b on Liverpool Waters, £2b on the Knowledge Quarter… and so on and so on and so on… other towns and cities haven’t had that.

Fucking deluded cunts. They’re fucking OBSESSED with being the victims!

Interesting side light. My dad was involved in the negotiations at the time concerning changes to the Dock Labour Scheme. My dad was a distribution specialist called in to advise on possible responses to the fact that “Liverpool found itself on the wrong side of Britain when we joined the EEC.”
He said the unions were convinced it was all a plot to do them down and simply refused to act positively. Net result: No docks and not much to replace them. Compare to Preston.

 

[bluesteve1964]

Ah yes, the same stretch of road that used to have tram tracks on decades ago that they removed.

If they hadn't fucked it up recently to the point where the tracks that had been pretty much fully laid had to be pulled up and restarted. A needless extension in my opinion. much more important things the money could have been spent on.

Trams in Blackpool aren't functional for transport purposes, they are mainly there for tourism.

Taxi drivers aren't happy that tram lines will go to the station!!!
If they are to extend tram lines further they should go up Red Bank Rd then down Devonshire/Whitegate Drive. Carry onto Waterloo Rd and loop back to Promenade. Add a link up Newton Drive to the hospital and the trams become functional for locals. It will never happen unfortunately.
Should start Blackpool thread in off topic.

 

[johnevans]

I posted this last week about this very subject after one of Tony Evans’ “woah is me” rants:


And why do they always claim to be more Irish than everywhere else?

“The truth is that the ingrained anti-Scouse bigotry (rooted in anti-Irishness) exists”

Manchester is 35% Irish, so is Birmingham, and London has more Irish than Liverpool Manchester and Birmingham put together.

Why do they always claim that Liverpool was treated differently to any other places in the North of England?

“The city has long been pushed to he margins of British life.”

Dock or pit towns and cities all over the North were all treated the same as Liverpool. Some places have never recovered while Liverpool has comparatively rocketed economically since. Have a walk around Liverpool and then have a walk around some other Northern towns and tell me Liverpool has been pushed to the margins of British life.

Top twenty most deprived regions in the UK​

• Tendring- around St Osyth and Seawick
• Blackpool- the Area near The Central Pier
• Blackpool- Around the Promenade by the North Pier
• Thanet- In Cliftonville West
• Blackpool- in the Region by the South Pier
• Tendring- in the Area by Clacton-On-The-Sea
• Blackpool- in the Region That Falls between Waterloo Road and St Chad’s Station
• Coventry- In the Area around Hillmorton Road In Henly
• Blackpool- In Woolman Road As Well As Clinton Avenue
• Waveney- In the Location of the South Pier in Lowestoft
• Blackpool-Around the Cookson Street
• Kingston upon Hull- near St John’s Grove
• North East Lincolnshire- In the Area That Is Around Oxford Street in Grimsby
• Burnley- The Area That Falls On Tay Street and Howard Street
• Burnley- The Region That Lies Between Belvedere Road and the Church Street
• Mansfield- In Sandy Lane
• Blackpool- In Carshalton Road As Well As Clevedon Road
• Blackburn with Darwen- The Region of Wensley Fold
• Great Yarmouth- By the Seafront

The 20 most deprived parts of England​

1. Middlesbrough
2. Burnley
3. Kingston upon Hull
4. Blackburn with Darwen
5. Stoke-on-Trent
6. Blackpool
7. Hackney
8. Nottingham
9. Thanet
10. Hastings
11. Great Yarmouth
12. Manchester
13. Oldham
14. Leicester
15. Rochdale
16. North East Lincolnshire
17. Newcastle-upon-Tyne
18. Salford
19. Bolton
20. Harlow

¼ of the top 20 are in Greater Manchester. Nowhere in Liverpool or anywhere in Merseyside (or North Wales where half their fans are from) get into either list, but it’s always “woah is me, woah for Liverpool”.

I mean fuck me, how well did they do off the back of the European Capital of Culture? Awarded to a city that was built off the back of slavery, was pro-slavery, was pro-Confederates (Roy Rawlinson said, "It is said more Confederate flags flew over Liverpool than Richmond [Virginia]”)… a capital of culture? And they wonder why everybody hates Liverpool?! It’s because of that, not because of anti-Irishness.

Their lack of acknowledgment of the fact that all Northern dock and pit towns were purposely driven down economically, with their economies ripped out from the towns, it’s quite astounding. They’re so insular and inward looking. It’s always all about them.

Some towns and cities really have been neglected and pushed to the margins of British life… but Liverpool isn’t one of them! The investment that city has had compared to many is huge: £1b on Liverpool One, £5.5b on Liverpool Waters, £2b on the Knowledge Quarter… and so on and so on and so on… other towns and cities haven’t had that.

Fucking deluded cunts. They’re fucking OBSESSED with being the victims!

Agree.. the information you list punctures the nonsensical notion that has been peddled in recent years that somehow Liverpool and the wider Merseyside region has been affected to a greater extent by the decisions taken by the London metropolitan elite/establishment than other parts of the UK.

Out of this has grown the (self-referencing and frankly ridiculous) claim that somehow people from Merseyside are 'Scouse, not English' and with that emergence has come the poor collective behaviours such as booing Royalty and the National Anthem.

I don't claim to know quite how this phenomenon has developed but it strikes me that the commodification of 'being Scouse' in recent years has echoes of a similar turn of events across town from us with the way 'Munich 1958' has been appropriated by the marketing johnnies at Old Trafford since the early 90s.

Prior to that time, Manchester's disaster was commemorated in an understated manner in February of each year, with a few 'In Memoriam' notices in the Manchester Evening News. As a child, I attended the Albert Square welcome home for the defeated United Cup Final team in 1958 with parents, family and neighbours, United and City together. Many of us would argue that United's behaviour post-Munich was really based on the club preferring to sweep the thing under the carpet and forget about it, if only to reduce costs and insurance liabilities to those involved. My own, brief conversations with Albert Scanlon, a friend of my parents, during the early 70s suggest this was so to me.

Come the early 90s and the flotation on the Stock Exchange and suddenly it all changed. I have no doubt that the marketing boys saw an opportunity to develop the narrative, the myths surrounding the club by incorporating the Munich story in how they were presenting the club to the world.

Similarly with this 'Scouse, not English' thing, etymologists, sociologists and so on have written about this and covered its history better than I ever could. But to add, my recollections of how people from Liverpool presented themselves when I was growing up in the 50s and 60s reflect what those scholars tell us:

1 - That prior to the First World War, most Liverpool people spoke with a similar dialect to the Lancashire accent (for example, comedian Rob Wilton was born in Everton but always retained a broad, Lancashire lilt). It wasn't until the late 19th century that Irish and other immigration began to impact on the dialect, with air pollution/ill health of the population being a similar, contributory factor in its development.

2 - That 'Scouse' was in usage but not as widely as the self-references 'Wackers' (or 'Whackers') for men and 'Judies' for women. (Edit: I forgot to add here - In the 60s, the folk group The Spinners had a few minor hits, including 'Everbody Loves Saturday Night', a W African folk song adapted by Pete Seeger, which they adapted to include a Liverpool verse proclaiming 'Wackers and judies love Saturday night/ Wackers and judies, wackers and judies..' etc)

3 -That 'Scouse' wasn't even recognised as a term until the mid-40s by the Oxford English Dictionary.

4- That 'Scouse' gained traction in the UK after the arrival of 'Til Death Us Do Part' on BBC TV in the mid-60s, together with the 'Learn Yerself Scouse' book that came out when various World Cup games were played at Goodison Park in 1966.

As I say, I understand who was behind the commodification of United's change of direction but as to who stands to gain from selling this latest piece of nonsense the from the other end of the East Lancs, well your guess is as good as mine!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

1 - That prior to the First World War, most Liverpool people spoke with a similar dialect to the Lancashire accent (for example, comedian Rob Wilton was born in Everton but always retained a broad, Lancashire lilt). It wasn't until the late 19th century that Irish and other immigration began to impact on the dialect, with air pollution/ill health of the population being a similar, contributory factor in its development.

The Scouse accent (like the Mancunian one) has been subject to huge change in the last sixty years. It was definitely far more Lancastrian after the war. One only has to listen to how Paul McCartney and Cilla Black speak/spoke compared to Carragher and Gerrard to appreciate this.

 

[mat]

The Scouse accent (like the Mancunian one) has been subject to huge change in the last sixty years. It was definitely far more Lancastrian after the war. One only has to listen to how Paul McCartney and Cilla Black speak/spoke compared to Carragher and Gerrard to appreciate this.

Only my dog can hear Carragher and Gerrard speak. It's usually his cue to go outside and take a massive shit.

 

[Newman Noggs]

Only my dog can hear Carragher and Gerrard speak. It's usually his cue to go outside and take a massive shit.

And yet they claim "the brown note frequency" is a myth.