Never even wore black armbands at the champions league final last year which fell on the eve of the heysel anniversary yet they force everyone else to wear black armbands around the hillsbourgh anniversaryIs it fucking small enough? Where are the names of those killed?
Their Hillsborough memorial is much larger and has every name of those who died listed.
At least they’ve got a memorial for it, I suppose. Because every other aspect of LFC utterly ignores that tragedy.
They don’t hold a minute’s silence for it every season like they do Hillsborough, they even had their fucking trophy parade on the anniversary of Heysel last year… how fucking distasteful can you get? Imagine their reaction if South Yorkshire Police held a big function for something on 15th April!
I don’t know why that club haven’t been made to start every first home game of every season with a minute’s silence for those they killed at Heysel. Never understood why they don’t do that.
That's not what was said. They said "no misbehaviour by Liverpool supporters that contributed to the disaster" That last bit is the key point. I don't even think the most deluded of Liverpool fans would ever claim that every single one of their 20-odd thousand fans who were there behaved totally impeccably throughout the entire day. But that's irrelevant in respect of what caused the disaster in the first place. 2 independent inquests - 25 years apart - have stated that the behaviour (or misbehaviour even) of Liverpool fans on the day didn't in any way contribute to what unfolded. Do you think if City were in that semi-final that day and housed in that end, that every single one of our fans would've behaved perfectly? But like I said, the behaviour of fans wasn't the trigger for what happened - Hillsborough was a disaster years in the making and it was always going to become a reality if there was a breakdown in how that end was policed, and it was always more likely to happen if it was an FA Cup semi-final due to the numbers of fans attending. As such, April 15th 1989 was a kind of perfect storm and I've absolutely no doubt that whichever set of fans were in that end on that particular day would've experienced the same outcome.
I've posted this clip before and I'm going to post it again. Spurs fans very nearly suffered a similar fate 8 years earlier in that end when they played Wolves in the 1981 semi-final. The difference on this occasion is that the police did a fantastic job in alleviating a bigger disaster, opening the gates at the front of the Leppings Lane End to help ease the crush, and allowing hundreds of fans to sit round the perimeter of the pitch to watch the match. Contrast that to 8 years later when the police point blank refused to open the gates and if I'm not mistaken, when I watched the RTE footage of the match a few years back, there are even instances of police slapping fans back down into the pen for daring to attempt to climb the fence to get out. And despite the positive intervention of the police in 1981, there were still dozens of injuries with some Tottenham fans suffering broken limbs:
Well if just 20, 30, 40 or more (or whatever number is correct) attempted to get into the match without tickets, I just cannot accept that finding that "no misbehaviour by Liverpool supporters contributed to the disaster". Because it did. However, it doesn't play well politically to totally fukc over a big northern city, so compromise was and is the order of the day.
I have only been to about 30 live football matches in my life - mainly for financial reasons. A couple of those were in the late 1980's when I first started earning money - I bought my tickets and I never would have thought of doing otherwise, so to the poster (@Stephen230) who stated that in that time "it’s nothing we all didn’t do back then." can I say he is talking cr@p.
I understand that it could have been us or any number of clubs in the 1970s and 1980s or even the 1940s (I did not know about the Burnden Park disaster until I read about it after it was mentioned in this thread.) But the thing that bothers me about Hillsborough 1989 is that the people of Liverpool attack the police 100% and do not accept any of the blame could have been caused by some of their fans, when it possibly was.
Part of the reason this story has lived on and on is this: an infamous piece - written by Simon Heffer - but edited and approved by a Mr Boris Johnson, smeared Liverpool and its people following the brutal beheading of Scouse engineer Ken Bigley in Iraq & it included this: "They see themselves whenever possible as victims, and resent their victim status; yet at the same time they wallow in it.”
This is almost 20 years old, but because we now know Mr B. Johnson to be an absolute clown, it carries resonance today.
And then he apologised for it! probably not a genuine apology - I assume he was told to do it back then, but it probably helped get some scouse votes for Brexit and the general election of 2019.
Now I know from other threads on here that Mr Boris Johnson is hated (especially because of the Brexit angle) but he was right to allow the Spectator to print: "They see themselves whenever possible as victims, and resent their victim status; yet at the same time they wallow in it.” and he should have never apologised for it, because it is pretty much the truth.
Bingo sounds so miserable he must be listening to Morrissey's greatest hits on loop.
Ban incoming.Bingo sounds so miserable he must be listening to Morrissey's greatest hits on loop.