Liverpool Thread - 2023/24

[jamesha]

The irony is a player from a relegation fodder German team is better than Caicedo. Was Caicedo over-rated or Chelsea are a mess of a team ?

I would guess that playing midfield for Chelsea is probably more difficult than for Liverpool as the latter are a more direct team and need hard running midfielders rather than more progressive players.

How good is this Endo? - seems to be the flavour of the month. Is he an improvement on Fabinho?

I do find the dippers who post about how wonderful Klopp was identifying this player to have very short memories as he desparately wanted Caicedo and Lavia but was rejected by both.

 

[balotellishaircut]

Iv got a feeling Arsenal will beat this lot in the league at the beginning of February.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I would guess that playing midfield for Chelsea is probably more difficult than for Liverpool as the latter are a more direct team and need hard running midfielders rather than more progressive players.

How good is this Endo? - seems to be the flavour of the month. Is he an improvement on Fabinho?

I do find the dippers who post about how wonderful Klopp was identifying this player to have very short memories as he desparately wanted Caicedo and Lavia but was rejected by both.

We’ll find out as he’s off to the Asia Cup now.

 

[cheekybids]

And therefore this season they are our biggest challenge

But not the 2nd best team for the last 5 years, they weren’t even the 2nd best team last year.

2023 Arsenal
2022 Liverpool
2021 Rags

I’m not disputing they are a challenge this season but last 5 years would make them consistent & they aren’t.

 

[eyalluvitt]

Model pro Jota is first into training this morning

 

[kaz7]

Almost all TVs for the past 15 years plus turn themselves off after a period of inactivity. She's talking bollocks.

Mine doesnt , the sky box might but i have never found out , if i turn it off or standby on sky news then that is where it is when i turn the tv on next morning , i dont have a top of the range tv though

 

[Paladin]

I've posted this on here before, but it's worth posting again
It was sent to me by a home and away sensible grown up Liverpool supporter following their title win and the fireworks fired at the Liver Building
The parade he refers to was following their CL win

I am sure those Liverpool fans aren’t the only bellends that follow clubs. But I have seen this sort of thing with LFC fans before. In Barcelona and Basel and at the parade last year. They think they can do whatever they want and won’t get punished and the Club need to call it out because it is getting out of hand and giving us a bad name and rightly so. I was in the seats above the pens at Hillsborough and saw what happened. I also had to get through the pissed up thousands outside with no tickets trying to force their way in. My take on Hillsborough is a bit different from the majority of Liverpool fans and not that popular. There was blame on all sides but the avoidance of accountability and the length of time to get to the truth is the shameful part and you have to respect the families and Dalglish for fighting to get justice. It was tragic and a tragedy. The new generation of fans need to respect the memory of the 96 and act accordingly rather than using it as an excuse to justify their perceived victim status which they wear as a badge. Rant over.

Good insight from a Liverpool fan.

I do have some sympathy for the Liverpool fans, who are just average law-abiding people, passionate about their football club - the same as supporters of all clubs throughout the country.

Unfortunately for them, the idiots that carry out all these hateful, and in many cases unlawful activities, appear to be a significant proportion of their fanbase. A greater proportion of Liverpool fans are in this idiot category than fans of every other club. It gives their fanbase in general a bad name, and the normal Liverpool fans unfortunately get lumped in with this.

 

[bluenova]

I would guess that playing midfield for Chelsea is probably more difficult than for Liverpool as the latter are a more direct team and need hard running midfielders rather than more progressive players.

How good is this Endo? - seems to be the flavour of the month. Is he an improvement on Fabinho?

I do find the dippers who post about how wonderful Klopp was identifying this player to have very short memories as he desparately wanted Caicedo and Lavia but was rejected by both.

There was an article just this week saying he's unbeaten when he's started in the Premier League. Given Liverpool have lost a grand total of 1 game in the league this season, that simply means he didn't start against Spurs. The same could be said for Jota, Nunez, Tsimikas, Elliot etc. When you consider that Liverpool have lost twice in the Europa League and Endo started both games, but was taken off at half time, it's a bit of a nonsense stat.

I've not seen enough live to make much of a judgement, but according to the stats sites (and yes, I know I've just said one stat is nonsense), Endo isn't playing as well as Caicedo. You'd expect players in better teams to score higher too, so, while certainly not the whole story, it does suggest he might be being hyped in typical "never fancied her anyway" style.

If we're lucky, that makes him the new Jordan Ibe.

 

[1961_vintage]

Imagine getting that sort of assistance and still not winning it.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Their full tilt attacking prowess is impressive, and they have depth in the forward areas. They replaced age with speed and strength. If Nunez finished half his chances they’d have blown out a few teams…NUFC, included!

Yes, like us, they can commit to attack a little too much, but (never forgetting they’re cheating cunts and perennial victims) they’ve found a way to win many a game in the last few minutes this season, while we’ve found away to drop points in the same way.

It should make for an interesting second half of the season. Once we are back on equal games, their Europa League-driven Sunday games should give us the edge in getting our noses ahead and them having to produce.

The League, the TV broadcasters, the neutrals…and the global betting syndicates ALL WANT A CONTESTED TITLE…and PGMOL are going to do their best to give it to them!!!

Prepare.

Get your point, but the thing about always scoring in the last few minutes is that, at some point, they won't and then they drop points. Remember Arsenal last year? Forever fluking last minute winners until they didn't and the inevitable City run reeled them in.

We, on the other hand, have been unlucky conceding last minute levellers and we are still just two points behind (I know). It will change, and our draws will become wins.

We have got this.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Get your point, but the thing about always scoring in the last few minutes is that, at some point, they won't and then they drop points. Remember Arsenal last year? Forever fluking last minute winners until they didn't and the inevitable City run reeled them in.

We, on the other hand, have been unlucky conceding last minute levellers and we are still just two points behind (I know). It will change, and our draws will become wins.

We have got this.

I’m betting on us, no problem. However, Klopp is considerably less conservative in replacing attackers and pushing hard to the last minute.

I hope “reversion to the mean” occurs, but we’ve been leggy towards the end of games, whereas they’ve had readily available, quality replacements on the bench to deliver, as Jota did last night!

 

[bluealf]

Cheating Cunts

 

[b2w]

Been a while since I was here...(yes a pool fan)

1. Yes we got away with a fortunate pen last night (and yes I hear you when you say 2, I can't agree there but I see you POV)
2. I thought we played quite good
3. No I don't think we're good enough to win the league but we're less rubbish than some others.
4. I think almost all teams in the PL have been shafted by VAR, and also been lucky with VAR. we have both, and in my humble opinion City has had both too. Who is better off as a result is a topic I won't broach.
5. Just on a basic level its nice to have a title race. I'm sure you won't agree with me! :)

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Been a while since I was here...(yes a pool fan)

1. Yes we got away with a fortunate pen last night (and yes I hear you when you say 2, I can't agree there but I see you POV)
2. I thought we played quite good
3. No I don't think we're good enough to win the league but we're less rubbish than some others.
4. I think almost all teams in the PL have been shafted by VAR, and also been lucky with VAR. we have both, and in my humble opinion City has had both too. Who is better off as a result is a topic I won't broach.
5. Just on a basic level its nice to have a title race. I'm sure you won't agree with me! :)

All pretty fair (save #5) though I do think Liverpool are good enough and City have gifted points to opponents to this point. Having the return fixture at Anfield during what will be a gauntlet for City in March is an advantage for you. I will say that if Jota had to go down there his confidence in front of goal must be worse than I would have suspected (and I think he thought maybe his angle was too tight, so he flopped -- plus he was at home so knew the crowd would scream for a call). I did think the first pen was one -- maybe a tad soft, but a pen.

 

[roach3]

Offensively they are the best team in the league, but they aren't great at the back

It's between us and them this season

And pigmol

 

[jimharri]

Been a while since I was here...(yes a pool fan)

1. Yes we got away with a fortunate pen last night (and yes I hear you when you say 2, I can't agree there but I see you POV)
2. I thought we played quite good
3. No I don't think we're good enough to win the league but we're less rubbish than some others.
4. I think almost all teams in the PL have been shafted by VAR, and also been lucky with VAR. we have both, and in my humble opinion City has had both too. Who is better off as a result is a topic I won't broach.
5. Just on a basic level its nice to have a title race. I'm sure you won't agree with me! :)

Answer me these couple of points.
1. Why did Jota go down/dive? He had a tap in waiting for him. All it did was make him look like a cheating twat*.

2. Why did you, as a team, feel the need to cheat? You had that game in the bag; don't give me that "we were only 1 up" nonsense. Newcastle weren't going to equalise. You absolutely battered them. Wasn't it the highest xg in a Premier League game?

*credit where due, mind. Extra points for my FPL team with that Salah penalty. Just a pity the scruffy twat missed the earlier one!

 

[super_city_si]

The ferocious pace they played the game at last night was eye opening and pretty scary. Their press slowed for about 10 minutes in the first half around the 30 min mark. Some might say it was 'super' human.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Liverpool fans across social media saying that Taylor was against them for not booking Joelinton.

All saying that all refs and media are against them for not calling it out.

So even though two blantant dives were given as penalties they are forever the victims.

Gomez should have been booked inside the first 10 minutes for hacking Gordon down, bet they aren't moaning about that.

 

[b2w]

Answer me these couple of points.
1. Why did Jota go down/dive? He had a tap in waiting for him. All it did was make him look like a cheating twat*.

2. Why did you, as a team, feel the need to cheat? You had that game in the bag; don't give me that "we were only 1 up" nonsense. Newcastle weren't going to equalise. You absolutely battered them. Wasn't it the highest xg in a Premier League game?

*credit where due, mind. Extra points for my FPL team with that Salah penalty. Just a pity the scruffy twat missed the earlier one!

1. Point taken. Benefit of the doubt makes me ask if you've ever been ankle tapped in rugby, or similar. When you're flat out it really doesn't take much at all, and if you watch the slow mo you can see that it does actually make his stride completely off balance, but in my mind he definitely chose to go down. I think the tap took his stride out, and he knew the ball was running too far and down he goes.

Not a confidence thing for him, he's in very good scoring form.

2. Cheat?....yes that pen was soft, but it was far, far from the softest given this season, and as you say, we were winning it anyway. And refer to above, we're assuming a blatant, no contact dive which it wasn't (again, I don't think we'll agree there) The barcodes goalie played a stupid game, he won a stupid prize. what always makes it easier in a situation like that (for the ref) is that it's one on one in on goal. Any foul will almost definitely be a pen, regardless of severity.

If your question is, 'why do the players go down so easily?' then that's another thing.

If those incidents happened outside the box would you be ok with it being a foul? I think that's where a lot of division lies. In my mind, players go down lightly because there's no reward for being hero, staying in their feet and getting hacked to peices, but a penalty is often too harsh a punishment.

For the record, I'm not defending diving or going down lightly, it's extremely poor to see and completely against the game ( and I'm well aware our players have done it) - just playing devil's advocate for debate purposes:)

 

[dublinblue12]

It's probably the worst Liverpool team on paper since Klopp took over imo so the fact they are top at this point is an achievement in it's self and I will try not begrudge them if they do end up winning it, despite how difficult their fans will make that - they will have deserved it.. They have a tough run coming up, it will show what they are made of, they look very shaky at times, poor defensively and Nunez up front, I just can't see them pulling it off this season.