Liverpool Thread - 2023/24

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Psychedelic Casual said:
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Everyone thinks that about everywhere. There are people from down South who even think Manchester and Liverpool accents are very similar with just the odd twang difference here and there.

But those different twangs are the difference between accents. From one place to another across the country there’s oniy a few twangs’ difference but spread that out over miles and that’s where different accents come in.

It’s like there’s only a few twangs different between a Scouse and Wirral or Southport accent and people who aren’t from over that way would mistake someone from Wirral or Southport as being Scouse if they weren’t used to those accents. That’s all you’ve done here.

Mancunians call Warringtonians ‘plastic Scousers’ because we think they sound Scouse. Scousers call Warringtonians ‘plastic Mancs’ because you think they sound Mancunian. The reality is they have their own specific accent that’s an in between of the two.
Everyone who’s from anywhere East of St Helens call Helenians ‘plastic Scousers’ because to many they sound Scouse (my Father cannot fathom that Johnny Vegas isn’t a Scouser, he thinks he’s got a full-on Scouse accent).

I can tell the difference between a Stockport and Oldham accent, a Bolton and Wigan accent, a Wigan and St Helens accent, a Leeds and a Barnsley and a Leeds and a Sheffield. They’re all different, some markedly different.

Take St Helens, from your examples. They call their town ‘Sint Elens’. A Mancunian calls St Helens ‘Sai-Elens’ (with a glottal stop between the two words).
Ask someone from Wigan to say, ‘did you hear that sound on the ground near the Crown&Anchor’ and then ask a Mancunian to say it and it sounds like a different language.
Ask a Loiner to say, ‘I didn’t know Joe was out in the snow’ and then ask a Mancunian to say it and, again, it sounds like a different language.

The Salford/Manchester accent is very specific compared to those you’ve said it sounds the same as.

Ask a Southerner to listen to a Mancunian and a Scouser say, ‘I didn’t know Joe was out in the snow’ and they would really struggle to tell the difference.

Although, young Mancunian lads don’t have a proper Salford/Manchester accent anymore. They sound more like the Londoners off Top Boy than they do Mancs. That new ‘belieeeve meee bro’ “Manchester”[but certainly not Manchester] accent is a proper abomination to the ears, they sound like twats. But the true Salford/Manchester accent is class and often ranks well above the Scouse accent in best accents in the country.
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I used to be very good at picking accents. One day in London a woman asked me the way to the BBC. Ever helpful, I replied “You’re a long way from the East Lancs Road”. She was astonished. She came from Leigh!
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
This could be a good topic in Off Topic this…

Everyone thinks that about everywhere. There are people from down South who even think Manchester and Liverpool accents are very similar with just the odd twang difference here and there.

But those different twangs are the difference between accents. From one place to another across the country there’s oniy a few twangs’ difference but spread that out over miles and that’s where different accents come in.

It’s like there’s only a few twangs different between a Scouse and Wirral or Southport accent and people who aren’t from over that way would mistake someone from Wirral or Southport as being Scouse if they weren’t used to those accents. That’s all you’ve done here.

Mancunians call Warringtonians ‘plastic Scousers’ because we think they sound Scouse. Scousers call Warringtonians ‘plastic Mancs’ because you think they sound Mancunian. The reality is they have their own specific accent that’s an in between of the two.
Everyone who’s from anywhere East of St Helens call Helenians ‘plastic Scousers’ because to many they sound Scouse (my Father cannot fathom that Johnny Vegas isn’t a Scouser, he thinks he’s got a full-on Scouse accent).

I can tell the difference between a Stockport and Oldham accent, a Bolton and Wigan accent, a Wigan and St Helens accent, a Leeds and a Barnsley and a Leeds and a Sheffield. They’re all different, some markedly different.

Take St Helens, from your examples. They call their town ‘Sint Elens’. A Mancunian calls St Helens ‘Sai-Elens’ (with a glottal stop between the two words).
Ask someone from Wigan to say, ‘did you hear that sound on the ground near the Crown&Anchor’ and then ask a Mancunian to say it and it sounds like a different language.
Ask a Loiner to say, ‘I didn’t know Joe was out in the snow’ and then ask a Mancunian to say it and, again, it sounds like a different language.

The Salford/Manchester accent is very specific compared to those you’ve said it sounds the same as.

Ask a Southerner to listen to a Mancunian and a Scouser say, ‘I didn’t know Joe was out in the snow’ and they would really struggle to tell the difference.

Although, young Mancunian lads don’t have a proper Salford/Manchester accent anymore. They sound more like the Londoners off Top Boy than they do Mancs. That new ‘belieeeve meee bro’ “Manchester”[but certainly not Manchester] accent is a proper abomination to the ears, they sound like twats. But the true Salford/Manchester accent is class and often ranks well above the Scouse accent in best accents in the country.
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I've lived in Warrington for 40 years and I can tell you not one person sounds scouce infact locals hate scoucers as much as we do.
 
its a Barm said:
I've lived in Warrington for 40 years and I can tell you not one person sounds scouce infact locals hate scoucers as much as we do.
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That’s part of the point I was making. Warringtonians don’t have a Scouse or Mancunian accent, they have their own.

When they say words like ‘surprise’ ‘five’ and ‘mine’ they do have a hint of Scouse in there, and I have mates who ask me why I support ‘those plastic Scousers’ because I’m a Warrington rugby fan. And there’ll be words that Scousers think sound Mancunian that they say.

But their actual accent is neither.
 
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Some good points about regional accents here.. like I previously mentioned there is a difference from people from Liverpool than those from just outside like Kirkby.. Huyton.. Bootle and St. Helens..
another little part of this which I have never understood is when you go away on holiday why do people say there from a place there not from.. I have been on holiday and spoke to people who have told me they are from Liverpool and when I ask where they reply Southport or Widnes.. very strange.. having said that most people in Liverpool would consider anybody from Salford or Altrincham as Manchester or Watford as London even tho strictly speaking there not.
 
Tom Ford said:
Some good points about regional accents here.. like I previously mentioned there is a difference from people from Liverpool than those from just outside like Kirkby.. Huyton.. Bootle and St. Helens..
another little part of this which I have never understood is when you go away on holiday why do people say there from a place there not from.. I have been on holiday and spoke to people who have told me they are from Liverpool and when I ask where they reply Southport or Widnes.. very strange.. having said that most people in Liverpool would consider anybody from Salford or Altrincham as Manchester or Watford as London even tho strictly speaking there not.
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That’s hardly a startling revelation.

I’m sure that many people from northern England think there is one Cornish accent, but people from the west of the county's accent is vastly different from those of central Cornwall, North Cornwall or East Cornwall.

It’s the same in every region of the UK; accents differ markedly within a few miles. I’m sure @BlueHammer85 will confirm that the East London accent is very different to West London or North London.
 
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