Liverpool Thread - 2023/24

[paulchapo]

Good post.
I'm going to sing it when they rock up to the Etihad and get up to their usual snidey, sneaky ways. For me, the song is definitely NOT about Hillsborough. It's about their victim mentality and being offended by everything and ashamed of nothing. Just who the fuck do they think they are? So they can decide what opposing clubs fans can and can't sing and everyone has to toe the line just suit them and keep them happy. So they can continue to airbrush their appalling behaviour out of their history? They are just a truly horrible club, team and fanbase that I fucking despise down to my core. They can go and fuck themselves as can the compliant and weak media, who support them because they are scared to death of them.

Just how does our club prove who was singing it if it's en masse? Like the old schooldays when the whole class got 100 lines because somebody misbehaved and wouldn't own up? Stewards with cameras and microphones on every aisle? As I mentioned in another post the words always as the victims it's never your fault surely couldn't be deemed a criminal offence in a court of law? What if we sang "Heysel 85, it's definitely your fault!" They couldn't argue that's not true or offensive as a whole investigation and legal conclusion found they were to blame.

UEFA, the organiser of the event, the owners of Heysel Stadium and the Belgian police were investigated for culpability. After an eighteen-month investigation, the dossier of leading Belgian judge Marina Coppieters was finally published. It concluded that blame should rest solely with the Liverpool fans.

We could of course just sing about four things that were undoubtedly their fault.

" A boot in Eddie's face, definitely your fault, a girls head cut open, definitely your fault, our team bus smashed up, definitely your fault, getting clubs banned from Europe also your fault!"

Our club would do better off concentrating their attention on the feral scum in the Liverpool end and leave our fans with justifiable grievances alone.

 

[Pontypool Blue]

Hate the new term tragedy chant mate, get your point though.

 

[foggy1974]

So on the BBC I’ve come across a new term this morning. So what is “indirect” Tragedy Chanting?
Is that when people are actively seeking a reason to be offended by something?

Do we hold 1 hand in the air before singing

 

[foggy1974]

I agree with this. No doubt the song was originally about Heysel but the "victim" phrase is tasteless given the Hillsborough history. I have never sung this song. It was originally started by United fans and just gives more ammunition to our enemies. Don't get me wrong. I do believe some LFC fans have to some extent "weaponised" Hillsborough and MUFC have certainly commercialised "Munich" but our fans should show more class and rise above it all. For example "Old Trafford is falling down" is brilliant.

I was always taught that you earn respect & that was destroyed when they organised the bus attack. Before that incident, we had shown our respect.

 

[Coatigan]

The song was first sung by united fans at the time of the Suarez/Evra incident. However, that coincided with the release of the Hillsborough Independent Panel report. Had that not been the case, they would have a very weak case.

But it was, so is open to being accused of being about Hillsborough. And while they're a bunch of whingeing, self-entitled twats, it shouldn't be sung.

I don't disagree that it shouldn't be sung.

But if/when it is, which it inevitably will be, it can't just be rammed on everyone as a Hillsborough song, that is just nonsense, and it is a dishonest claim started to deflect from what caused it to start in the first place.

The report came out 11 months after the song first made the headlines for the suarez support incident. So their claim of it coinciding and thus being about that is crap.

Let's just stop and remember that one for a minute. At a time when the footballing world thought it was somehow trying to tackle racism with tshirts ahead of each match and slogans etc. Liverpool Football Club, the institution and media magnet that it is in English football, went and wore tshirts supporting a player punished for racial abuse of another player. They spat not only on the face of the league, but also the whole emerging fight against racism. Openly and unashamedly.

And the song came, a reaction to one of the most blatant fuck yous by a club that has never really been talked about since. Jamie Carragher, who can't wait to moan about the chant and lable it a Hillsborough song, was one of the players that wore the very tshirt that it was a response to!

 

[PPT]

Just how does our club prove who was singing it if it's en masse? Like the old schooldays when the whole class got 100 lines because somebody misbehaved and wouldn't own up? Stewards with cameras and microphones on every aisle? As I mentioned in another post the words always as the victims it's never your fault surely couldn't be deemed a criminal offence in a court of law? What if we sang "Heysel 85, it's definitely your fault!" They couldn't argue that's not true or offensive as a whole investigation and legal conclusion found they were to blame.

UEFA, the organiser of the event, the owners of Heysel Stadium and the Belgian police were investigated for culpability. After an eighteen-month investigation, the dossier of leading Belgian judge Marina Coppieters was finally published. It concluded that blame should rest solely with the Liverpool fans.

We could of course just sing about four things that were undoubtedly their fault.

" A boot in Eddie's face, definitely your fault, a girls head cut open, definitely your fault, our team bus smashed up, definitely your fault, getting clubs banned from Europe also your fault!"

Our club would do better off concentrating their attention on the feral scum in the Liverpool end and leave our fans with justifiable grievances alone.

Exactly this.
And let's not forget (as the whole of the media en masse did) that the club who are complaining about 'tragedy chanting' actually held their 'Victory Parade' around the streets of Liverpool on the very day of the anniversary of Heysel. But hey, that's OK. Laughable.

 

[HelloCity]

Still the only set of fans I've ever heard boo an injured player going off the pitch on a stretcher.

It was Ederson following the Mane kung-fu kick.

Our fans went ape-shit and sang "It's never your fault" which was aimed at them booing an injured player that their own player had just fouled.

 

[tommybooth]

What were Bingo’s excuses for not beating high flying Luton yesterday?

The stands were too near the pitch.

 

[paulchapo]

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Now then.....we might not be able to do the falsettos but what a great song to adapt to a football chant for playing the dippers.

"In a town where buses get wrecked and coins rain down, where away fans get stanlied and the police do nothing ( fuck all but) just stand around, it's a tragedy, it's Liverpool no one's ever charged it's Liverpool, it's hard to bear, the scousers aren't charged they just don't care, it's a tragedy.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Still the only set of fans I've ever heard boo an injured player going off the pitch on a stretcher.

It was Ederson following the Mane kung-fu kick.

Our fans went ape-shit and sang "It's never your fault" which was aimed at them booing an injured player that their own player had just fouled.

Don’t forget this lot started rocking the ambulance that had Alan Smith in it when he broke his leg at Anfield playing for the rags. They want respect but they sure as hell don’t treat people with respect in kind.