Yes, have had this argument loads of times with Liverpool fans. They throw up stats about the most interceptions in the league or some shit.
I judge football with what I see with my eyes. He's a very arrogant and lazy defender. Thinks that he doesn't have to put in the hard yards and you very rarely see him busting a gut to get back or make an effort to defend.
Those saying that yesterday's woeful showing was down to the Madrid talk are also wrong. He throws in performances like that a lot. Fulham recently he was at fault for 2 goals, Everton at the back end of last season when he couldn't be bothered to jump to contest a ball in from a corner.
There was a reason that Southgate never trusted him.
His head's up his arse with all the smoke blown up it from the likes of Neville calling him "potentially the best full back we've ever seen"
Don't get me wrong, on the ball he is amazing at times, and will do well at Madrid probably. Him and Bellingham will be a horrible pair.
It wouldn't bother me if he signed a new contract with Liverpool as I believe he is a liability.
I'd much rather see Salah or VVD leave