If the junior pilot is flying the plane and concentrating on take off then surely it’s the senior pilot who turned the switches.A test?! Jesus Christ, aye 3 seconds after rotation the captain decides to cut fuel off to both engines and see what his co pilot is made of…
The odds of the switches moving/commands inputted by themself are vanishingly small, this has been done manually by one of the two pilots. The only question is whether it was intentional (suicide) or he’d somehow switched them off thinking he was doing something else (though I don’t think there’s anything else to do 3 seconds after take off…)
About 8000 per day over the UK in Summer.After 9/11 I started to develop a bit of flying fear. I read that at any given time there are approximately 10,000 flights in the air and it completely cured me.
The airspace above the Turkish Black Sea coast is like the M62 - in both directions. Don't look out of the window if you are of nervous disposition.Just a normal day. But more congestion as there are big swathes of airspace with nothing in it eg Ukraine, Iran
Is that possible? They would take off manually, I assume. If somehow the programming included switch off just after take off, surely that would trigger a warning of incorrect take off configuration? Calling a pilot to the thread.I wonder if the black box would indicate if the switch offs were made to operate by the crew.
We know they tried to get the engines restarted but did they actually enable the switch off capability that caused engines to cut out.?
If they did not enable the cut offs then it happened somehow via the programing, if they did it points to the crew using it incorrectly.
In my opinion it was deliberate. The Captain was nearing retirement and lived with his ageing father (no mention of wife or children) perhaps he thought he had nothing to live for. Bloody selfish act if that is the case.A test?! Jesus Christ, aye 3 seconds after rotation the captain decides to cut fuel off to both engines and see what his co pilot is made of…
The odds of the switches moving/commands inputted by themself are vanishingly small, this has been done manually by one of the two pilots. The only question is whether it was intentional (suicide) or he’d somehow switched them off thinking he was doing something else (though I don’t think there’s anything else to do 3 seconds after take off…)
Yes, much of the traffic from Europe to the Far East and vv that used to overfly Ukraine and Russia is now going over Turkey.The airspace above the Turkish Black Sea coast is like the M62 - in both directions. Don't look out of the window if you are of nervous disposition.
There have been one or two cases of suicide by pilots taking a load of passengers with them. I’m thinking of the (German?)guy who deliberately flew into a mountain. What must be going on in their brain to do this? Should pilots have a regular mental health check? Regulations have changed as a result; pilots cannot be left on their own in the cockpit.In my opinion it was deliberate. The Captain was nearing retirement and lived with his ageing father (no mention of wife or children) perhaps he thought he had nothing to live for. Bloody selfish act if that is the case.
I think there is a basic design fault with those switches, as somebody has already pointed out there should be no way they can be shut off below a safe altitude when taking off.There have been one or two cases of suicide by pilots taking a load of passengers with them. I’m thinking of the (German?)guy who deliberately flew into a mountain. What must be going on in their brain to do this? Should pilots have a regular mental health check? Regulations have changed as a result; pilots cannot be left on their own in the cockpit.
Yes, that is bound to be rigourously investigated. It’s one hell of a fault if it’s there.I think there is a basic design fault with those switches, as somebody has already pointed out there should be no way they can be shut off below a safe altitude when taking off.
They would be easily accessible as they will be part of the procedure to follow if there is an engine fire.I think there is a basic design fault with those switches, as somebody has already pointed out there should be no way they can be shut off below a safe altitude when taking off.
You can see the attraction of AI for businesses can't you? No emotion, no problems, no depression, no wages, no hangovers, no drugs in system.I think there is a basic design fault with those switches, as somebody has already pointed out there should be no way they can be shut off below a safe altitude when taking off.
Then there is a "basic design fault" with every single aeroplane in the sky. If an aircraft suffers an engine fire on departure, the last thing the crew wants is fuel continuing to be pumped to said engine so there has to be the ability to cut the fuel off.I think there is a basic design fault with those switches, as somebody has already pointed out there should be no way they can be shut off below a safe altitude when taking off.
I still don't think you would want to cut the engines just after you "Rotated" though.Then there is a "basic design fault" with every single aeroplane in the sky. If an aircraft suffers an engine fire on departure, the last thing the crew wants is fuel continuing to be pumped to said engine so there has to be the ability to cut the fuel off.
If one was burning you would, but you're the expert :-)I still don't think you would want to cut the engines just after you "Rotated" though.
That's who I was referring to when I said the captain turned them off.If the junior pilot is flying the plane and concentrating on take off then surely it’s the senior pilot who turned the switches.
We have to wait for the investigations into the pilots’ private lives I suppose now.
I certainly am no expert but from the videos I have seen there did not appear to be an engine fire at all, and if there was why cut both engines?If one was burning you would, but you're the expert :-)
PS. apart from confirming which engine has the problem, cutting the fuel flow is the very FIRST thing on the checklist.
There was no engine fire that we know of. Your comments are saying the crew shouldn't be able to cut off fuel at low altitude under any circumstances. I'm pointing out the circumstances under which the crew would need to cut the fuel off.I certainly am no expert but from the videos I have seen there did not appear to be an engine fire at all, and if there was why cut both engines?
I always thought that the pilot flying the aircraft spoke to the other pilot before performing any physical input to the controls.A test?! Jesus Christ, aye 3 seconds after rotation the captain decides to cut fuel off to both engines and see what his co pilot is made of…
The odds of the switches moving/commands inputted by themself are vanishingly small, this has been done manually by one of the two pilots. The only question is whether it was intentional (suicide) or he’d somehow switched them off thinking he was doing something else (though I don’t think there’s anything else to do 3 seconds after take off…)