Looking down on 'glory hunters' is arrogance

[The perfect fumble]

all City fans are magnificent specimens of the species

I've lost four stone in the last eight months! I can see it! Oh dear! It was best left to the imagination.<br /><br />-- Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:29 pm --<br /><br />

The day the etihad is full of cockneys and random day trippers like old trafford is the day I stop going.

Unless we expand the stadium to 70,000 I don't think we'll be having this problem. Season cards sold out in a flash to mostly the existing holders and there were many locals who wanted them but couldn't get them. We could probably sell over 40,000 season cards just to locals right now.

Agreed, I think we're some way off selling jellied eels on Mercer Way.

 

[Manchestercitychorlton]

if it stops me and other fans who supported city no matter how shit they were then I dont welcome them.

latching onto a club only when there succesful doesnt make you a proper fan, im sorry but thats what I believe, you support your team no matter how good or bad they are. The day the etihad is full of cockneys and random day trippers like old trafford is the day I stop going.

only an opinion btw :0)

This.

 

[The Indonesian]

That's a pretty specific dream. Wouldn't you rather dream of City dominating football as a whole? Nah that would be boring. There's a community of City fans here which started in 2010. They're pretty ignorant and mostly focus on retail. They finally have a Forum so hopefully even a kid like me can help "enlighten" them.

I've had MANY Blue related dreams over the past 40 years mate; some of them have been very specific and some of them have been much more generic in nature; some of them have come true and some of them, unfortunately, never will; but I know that I'll support City forever, no matter whether we dominate the world of football or not, and that's why that specific dream doesn't really rank very highly on my "WISH LIST". However, the Manchester "word association game" that I mentioned in my post is just one of those things that has bugged me my entire life ..... Paris, Amsterdam, Barcelona, Madrid,...etc...etc...etc. everywhere I've ever been, either for business reasons or for pleasure it's always been the same, and if I'm honest with you it's annoyed me more than anything on the pitch ever has.

Imagine if EVERY time you told people where you came from they replied with something about your town/city that you hated..... it just really grinds my gears.

haha yeah, that would be utter torture. I suppose I understand the feeling a little. For most Indonesians though, it's the fact that every time you speak Indonesian to a foreigner, unless they know a whole lot then they would probably call you Malaysian. (BTW we're losing to them 1-0 in a U-22 final right now :( )

No offense to any of you Malaysians out there.

 

[The Indonesian]

Selamat Datang AFFS, your English is excellent.

I spent 20 years in Indonesia spreading the good word of Manchester City Football Club and the only City shirts I would see were the ones I gave away! Certainly not these days I see them every day now and it makes me so proud to be a Blue.

Don't be paranoid there is no agenda :)

Thanks. I don't think I'm up to what they call "Native speaker level" yet though.

Are you still here in Indonesia? Where did/do you live? Must be pretty hard enduring the sight of red stickers and shirts everywhere...

If you say that you're a blue here most likely they will automatically consider you a chelski fan though. Considering saying "I'm a Mancunian" generally translates to "I'm a rag" here sometimes I wonder what to call myself in front of people.

Spent most of the time in the jungles and oil fields of Sumatra but now moving on to pastures new.
Liverpool were the one and only football club when I first arrived here but times change, like when asked where I was from and replied Manchester it was always followed by ahhhh united.
Not these days....it is "which one".

Call yourself any name you wish but not Shirley :)

Honestly, I've never been in Sumatra in my life. I've only been in Bali, Papua (New guinea to most westerners), Sulawesi (Celebes) and Java.

Yeah, Liv'pool were really popular (and still are).

By the way, assuming you're still following the football in the country you should know how chaotic it is right now right?

 

[Why Always Ste]

if it stops me and other fans who supported city no matter how shit they were then I dont welcome them.

latching onto a club only when there succesful doesnt make you a proper fan, im sorry but thats what I believe, you support your team no matter how good or bad they are. The day the etihad is full of cockneys and random day trippers like old trafford is the day I stop going.

only an opinion btw :0)

I agree with this as I can envisage price hikes and so on, pricing out the regular current matchgoer with the club having preference over a daytripper with more disposable income.

I do however disagree with "latching onto a club only when there succesful doesnt make you a proper fan" as I'm aware of many Blues who have watched this club for 30/40+ years who only started watching City because of the likes of Bell/Summerbee and the league and cup wins around this era.

My Aunt Sue only started watching City because she adored Colin Bell (lol) and before watching City she'd watch him playing for Bury at Gigg Lane.
Soon as he left Bury she became a City fan.

This is like the modern day fanboys who only started their interest in City due to say Dzeko.

We're all gloryseekers in that we want success for our club.
As long as they stick around (even when we don't win nothing) to me they are Blues.

 

[jimharri]

Glory? What glory? The FA cup and a last minute goal to give us the league after Utd squander an eight point lead? Let's talk about glory hunters when we've racked up a few more trophies.

If you don't consider those ''glory'' moments, I'd hate to think what you thought of us in the 80s/90s. Back then, avoiding relegation could be considered as glory.

I had great sex once, come to think of it, maybe twice, it doesn't make me Casanova.

-- Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:26 pm --

City are a glorious club.

We are, but that doesn't get them piling on a plane in Bangkok, to see us play Stoke on a wet Tuesday night.

Interesting, if unusual, analogy there.

 

[jma]

I don't look down on the person as a whole, as anyone who judges a person on purely matters regarding football terms should be sectioned.

However, I have no problem whatsoever in admitting that I most definitely do look down and have contempt for the action of 'gloryhunting' and the motivations and human characteristics that drive someone to do it.

And what is wrong with that. We all admire and revile actions and characteristics of others every day of our lives. Why should football be any different or certain characteristics be judged in a different manner because they involve our football team (or even a team we don't like).

In any other walk of life I would have no time for someone trying to associate themselves in a contrived, shallow, false way with something purely because it is glamorous, successful and gives a little bit of reflective glory. Or for anyone whose opinion is that they are 'passionate' about something because they look for results on the internet or buy a garment of clothing once a year. So why should I have a different view when it comes to football. I don't like shallow, vain actions in any walk of life. Therefore, I don't look kindly upon them in football either.

That's not to say that I don't recognise why the club needs them and why City are keen to encourage them. Or that I would try to stop someone latching onto a successful club that has no connection to them and deluding themselves that they are 'part of it' - I have no control over their actions and neither should I.

But yeah, I consider the emotions, choices and characteristics that drive people to convince themselves they are 'part of' something superficially successful, that they obviously only are because they choose to say they are, to be extremely negative and not characteristics I'd admire in any walk of life.

I know this is an unpopular view though. Not least because people don't like thinking of their actions through such a prism.

 

[lancs blue]

I see nothing wrong in new fans being attracted to a club because of success, that's entirely natural. IMO they only become glory-hunters if they jump ship when the going gets rough. I'm sure there are a few posters on here who started supporting City in the previous golden era of Mercer/Allison, possibly attracted by the quality football and the trophies. Would you class them as glory-hunters even though they've stuck with the club ever since?

 

[*singingtheblues*]

Go get 'em JMA.

I love it when this topic comes around, usually everyone is walking on eggshells and doing their best to demonstrate a warm and cozy glow at the Manchester City Inn, and then JMA arrives and just completely cleans up. Hilarious.

A man who tells it how he sees it, irrespective of how other posters may subsequently seek to attack him or label him X, Y or Z. An admirable quality.

Besides, I think you speak for the majority of match-going blues on this topic for what it's worth JMA.

 

[Shirley]

I don't look down on the person as a whole, as anyone who judges a person on purely matters regarding football terms should be sectioned.

However, I have no problem whatsoever in admitting that I most definitely do look down and have contempt for the action of 'gloryhunting' and the motivations and human characteristics that drive someone to do it.

And what is wrong with that. We all admire and revile actions and characteristics of others every day of our lives. Why should football be any different or certain characteristics be judged in a different manner because they involve our football team (or even a team we don't like).

In any other walk of life I would have no time for someone trying to associate themselves in a contrived, shallow, false way with something purely because it is glamorous, successful and gives a little bit of reflective glory. Or for anyone whose opinion is that they are 'passionate' about something because they look for results on the internet or buy a garment of clothing once a year. So why should I have a different view when it comes to football. I don't like shallow, vain actions in any walk of life. Therefore, I don't look kindly upon them in football either.

That's not to say that I don't recognise why the club needs them and why City are keen to encourage them. Or that I would try to stop someone latching onto a successful club that has no connection to them and deluding themselves that they are 'part of it' - I have no control over their actions and neither should I.

But yeah, I consider the emotions, choices and characteristics that drive people to convince themselves they are 'part of' something superficially successful, that they obviously only are because they choose to say they are, to be extremely negative and not characteristics I'd admire in any walk of life.

I know this is an unpopular view though. Not least because people don't like thinking of their actions through such a prism.

I've been drinking all day but you have to tell me what you have been smoking!