Luck to win the Champions League

There’s no such thing as “luck”. Luck is a fiction of the human imagination.

Luck is what the superstitious or weak minded blame for something in hindsight when they don’t understand or can’t admit that it’s their own fault or that someone else is just better.

Everything happens by the coincidence of preparation meeting opportunity, or lack of preparation or mistakes meaning you miss an opportunity.

There’s also no such things as “meant to be”.

Monaco began with poor recruitment in preparation for Pep coming and poor defending on the night.
Liverpool came during a period where we fucking shat ourselves every time we went to Anfield because of a weak mentality.
Spurs away was down to leaving out Kompany and deBruyne in the away leg.
Lyon was down to playing 5-2-3 and being swamped in midfield.
Chelsea was down to a collective weak mentality.
Last night was down to not playing out the end of the game smartly enough.

In all of those games we missed a lot of chances as well. And that’s been a hindrance to us even when we had a record breaking strikeforce.

We’ve had tough opponents this year but have been pretty lucky in recent seasons. I completely agree that we’ve been architects of our own downfall. We have been good enough for a few years now but keep missing our chance. Nothing a big Norwegian, a speedy left back and a lively young midfielder can’t fix though.
 
Maybe not luck but we're certainly not very good at European style football.
Has a team won the Champions League in the last 20 years that hasn't dived, cheated and whinged their way to winning it? Maybe Pep's Barcelona and those great Bayern Munich teams but everyone else knows how to ride that line that allows them to kick lumps out of the opposition without getting a card and how to initiate contact in a good area for a free kick, you only have to look at how Real closed the game out last night compared to the way we did.
We're really not very good at the 'gamesmanship' side of things and in Europe, and in particular the Champions League, you have to be very good cheats as well as a very good team to win it and the closest we've come to that is when we played Atletico.
It's no coincidence that the best English team in Europe is Liverpool are also the biggest cheats in the league.
Pep's Barcelona dived a lot and they got a hell of a lot of "questionable" decisions in their favor, decisions that we never get because we simply aren't part of the "elite" clubs unlike Barca.

The only way for us to win this comp is to give refs no chance to influence games, if we put six past Madrid in the first leg ref decisions don't matter.
 
Nothing of what you are saying here didn't happen last night. RM won it fair and square, the ref had a few questionable decisions with Casemiro in the first half, but they affected in no way our performance or the result. We just waited for that opportunity to self destruct and RM just pressed the button.
I don't think you've understood what I'm saying. If we started acting like Real Madrid did when we went 1-0 up and started time wasting, diving about and generally spoiling the game do you not think we would have held out to go through?
There were supposed to be 30 minutes of extra time played but because of Real Madrid's 'gamesmanship' there were actually only about 10 minutes played, that is the difference between us and them, we tried to play football for 90 minutes and it bit us on the arse. Once they went ahead they used every shithouse trick they knew to go through and it worked. Much like we did against Atletico but, as I said, it's incredibly rare for us to go down that route.
If Casemiro had got the cards he should have done in the first half, even if it was just one yellow you don't think that would have affected his game as the central midfield destroyer?
The difference between Real Madrid and other 'European' style teams and us is that when Fernandinho commits a tactical foul he just walks away and takes the yellow card but the teams that use the so called 'dark arts' will roll around pretending to be injured while their teammates swarm the ref putting pressure on him and so generally get away with it. Believe it or not, if you kick lumps out of the opposition playmaker it generally affects their ability to make a mark on the game and if you have worked out pretty early on that you'll get away with it you'll continue doing it (see Rudiger on De Bruyne in last years final for an extreme example of this). I've never seen us make an effort to 'let an opponent know you're there' but in just the last few weeks Real, Atletico and Liverpool have all gone that route against us and got away with it, affecting not just that game but the ones that followed.
We always used to laugh at European games with all the theatrics and snide cheating but just because it's now infested the Premier League doesn't make it any less ridiculous and it doesn't make it any less cheating.
 
There’s no such thing as “luck”. Luck is a fiction of the human imagination.

Luck is what the superstitious or weak minded blame for something in hindsight when they don’t understand or can’t admit that it’s their own fault or that someone else is just better.

Everything happens by the coincidence of preparation meeting opportunity, or lack of preparation or mistakes meaning you miss an opportunity.

There’s also no such things as “meant to be”.

Monaco began with poor recruitment in preparation for Pep coming and poor defending on the night.
Liverpool came during a period where we fucking shat ourselves every time we went to Anfield because of a weak mentality.
Spurs away was down to leaving out Kompany and deBruyne in the away leg.
Lyon was down to playing 5-2-3 and being swamped in midfield.
Chelsea was down to a collective weak mentality.
Last night was down to not playing out the end of the game smartly enough.

In all of those games we missed a lot of chances as well. And that’s been a hindrance to us even when we had a record breaking strikeforce.

I agree with your point that 'luck' can too often be used as an excuse for poor preparation or performance, and more than once we have been the architects of our own downfall in the CL. However, I disagree that there is no such thing as luck. Timing and chance can have a huge impact on events and ultimately you cannot prepare for every eventuality, control all variables or mitigate all risks. You can plan, prepare and perform but sometimes shit happens.
 
This really is not true in football. It is not a precise science, there are 2 teams with officials too plus there is human error.
Luck is obviously not everything but it clearly plays a part as does preparation, concentration and everything else.
You are massively confusing one off cup games with a league. In a league, by and large luck is not a determining factor because of so many games and so many variations.
In cup games, luck can play a massive part. If you can’t see or understand that then football might not be the game for you.
We played well, better than the opposition but we lost yesterday to a 1 in 100 chance. There are so many examples of games where luck played a huge part. For example, Gillingham at Wembley - most observers were surprised Halsey signalled 5 mins injury time. We were lucky he didn’t signal 4. And conversely Gillingham were unlucky
None of it is “luck”. It’s just all a coincidence of circumstances that happen by chance.
 
I agree with your point that 'luck' can too often be used as an excuse for poor preparation or performance, and more than once we have been the architects of our own downfall in the CL. However, I disagree that there is no such thing as luck. Timing and chance can have a huge impact on events and ultimately you cannot prepare for every eventuality, control all variables or mitigate all risks. You can plan, prepare and perform but sometimes shit happens.
It’s the way people think of luck being this thing that shines on some teams and players, but not others, like luck is an entity. A lot of people look at luck like they do fate, destiny, omens and all that shit (that also don’t exist).

As I said, what people think of as luck is just a coincidence of circumstances that happen by chance. It doesn’t shine on some teams and players more than others like a special bit of magic, others aren’t unlucky like they have a curse on them. All that kind of thinking is just nonsense.
 
Sincere conclusion: we fucked up so many times in UCL and last night we lost focus with few min remaining from the game.
 
Of course luck plays a huge part,but it cant be used as an excuse season after season.

Something else is then at play.
 
there are many circumstances which lead to a result - the imprecise art of foot ball when the best team in a cup game may not necessarily win - cup games are far much harder to predict and it is clear this season we have had a catalogue of injuries since the turn of the year- I'm pretty certain KDB hasnt been fully fit all season yet he has been admirable in his efforts - similarly kyle walker was patched for last night and did an amazing job - it wasnt meant to be last night sadly - but lets be honest we ALL KNOW who the best team were over those two legs - it was City and I thank everyone one of them for their efforts not just those games but all season - Ive followed them for 60 years now and cannot believe the quality I see every game and this is the reason I travel over 400 miles for very home game - its a privilege and we have to be aware where we came from to this day - dont be sad be proud!! it will come and when it does -BOY OH BOY!! Worth the wait and all the trauma.
 

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