Of course luck plays a huge part,but it cant be used as an excuse season after season.
Something else is then at play.
100%In the same way you have to say that this year Real have done the same thing three times on the bounce to three of the biggest clubs in Europe at which point it doesn't feel like them simply being 'lucky'.
You're saying had he rightly been sent off in the 1st half, that wouldn't have affected the outcome? Playing against us for most of the game a man down wouldn't have affected the game?
I am not sure you can pick up events and add them up at your will because they are causal. Both the tackle on Kev and that shirt pull of Foden were clear yellow cards, but I am not sure the latter would happen if Casemiro was already on a yellow. And the ref was clearly telling Vinicius to get the fuck up every time he collapsed around our box. In my opinion totally immaterial to what happened after 89th minute.so the two very clear yellow cards casemiro should of got didnt affect anything ?, he should of been off the pitch
Probably in next game, hopefully not.In the same way you have to say that this year Real have done the same thing three times on the bounce to three of the biggest clubs in Europe at which point it doesn't feel like them simply being 'lucky'.
And surprise surprise.... very suspicious officiatingwe were very lucky to draw Lyon because it could have been PSG, Bayern, Atletico etc.
Barca got Bayern and Bayern won 8-2 haha (the opponent was there for taking and Bayern scored 8, Real was there for taking in the home leg we just managed to get a 1 goal lead, luck?)
we got Lyon who were 6th or 7th in Ligue 1 at the time
how is that not a lucky draw compared to Barca who got a juggernaut Bayern who ended up winning the trophy
what did we do with our lucky draw? lost to Lyon
guess what how, piss poor defending and awful chance conversion, same old...
Everything you are blaming RM for has been leveled at us all the time. What we did to AM away was exactly what RM was doing to us and what we should have been doing in the last 15 minutes of the game. Bernardo, Raz, jack are labeled by every single non-City fan as serious divers. Tactical fouls, ditto. BUt nothing to do with us conceding three times in mere 6 minutes.I don't think you've understood what I'm saying. If we started acting like Real Madrid did when we went 1-0 up and started time wasting, diving about and generally spoiling the game do you not think we would have held out to go through?
There were supposed to be 30 minutes of extra time played but because of Real Madrid's 'gamesmanship' there were actually only about 10 minutes played, that is the difference between us and them, we tried to play football for 90 minutes and it bit us on the arse. Once they went ahead they used every shithouse trick they knew to go through and it worked. Much like we did against Atletico but, as I said, it's incredibly rare for us to go down that route.
If Casemiro had got the cards he should have done in the first half, even if it was just one yellow you don't think that would have affected his game as the central midfield destroyer?
The difference between Real Madrid and other 'European' style teams and us is that when Fernandinho commits a tactical foul he just walks away and takes the yellow card but the teams that use the so called 'dark arts' will roll around pretending to be injured while their teammates swarm the ref putting pressure on him and so generally get away with it. Believe it or not, if you kick lumps out of the opposition playmaker it generally affects their ability to make a mark on the game and if you have worked out pretty early on that you'll get away with it you'll continue doing it (see Rudiger on De Bruyne in last years final for an extreme example of this). I've never seen us make an effort to 'let an opponent know you're there' but in just the last few weeks Real, Atletico and Liverpool have all gone that route against us and got away with it, affecting not just that game but the ones that followed.
We always used to laugh at European games with all the theatrics and snide cheating but just because it's now infested the Premier League doesn't make it any less ridiculous and it doesn't make it any less cheating.
We are too gung ho in Europe. Over 38 games in the league it works.We cant keep on blaming luck , VAR , decisions , difficult draws etc etc , often we have been tactically inept at crucial stages in big games , Pep is the best coach around but he is stubborn , when you get into a two goal lead we have to learn how to manage them better or we will always beat at risk in one-off cup games and crunch title games.
The media at the moment are portraying us as a pub team , but it isnt any surprise they cant hide their glee at our exit , but we need to use these headlines as motivation for the remainder of the season and shove their taunts straight back down their throats