Lucy Letby infant murders trial - Guilty verdict (P 13)

If you reported that someone was killing babies at work and you were sure of it would you allow your boss to fob you off?

A lot of covering backs going on here.

The horror of what the babies and families are going through must be unfathomable.
 
m7mcfc said:
To be honest when I first saw a photo of her I thought they have to be wrong about her she looks like butter wouldn't melt. My sister on the other hand when I said the butter wouldn't melt thing turned around and said she did it I can see it in her eyes "Evil woman". She was right, woman's intuition maybe?
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Dont know mate but my first thought with her photo was the same as yours. Which is scary as hell.
 
Fucking hell, the biggest child serial killer in modern British history. The grim ****.

I hope she tops herself while inside.
 
west didsblue said:
The senior trust management who ignored consultants’ concerns and actively tried to cover it up should be investigated and prosecuted. How many died that didn’t have to if there was proper management and safeguarding processes in place and actually used?
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Exactly. You might not be able to stop an evil individual gaining access to a responsible job but you can create systems and most importantly culture that picks them up before they can do too much damage.

Good governance boils down to the alignment of authority and consequence. Power without accountability is a recipe for disaster.
 
threespires said:
Exactly. You might not be able to stop an evil individual gaining access to a responsible job but you can create systems and most importantly culture that picks them up before they can do too much damage.

Good governance boils down to the alignment of authority and consequence. Power without accountability is a recipe for disaster.
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One of the people in the management team at the time is now a director of Nursing in Salford.
 
Eebo said:
There will have been hundreds of courses and thousands of hours spent by the Hospital Trust on preaching to the medical staff about the Trusts Health and Safety policies, and on Child safeguarding in particular.

There would have been mandatory annual revision and e-learning courses for everyone below the Executives. All done to ensure the policies laid down by them were adhered to.

Yet it was only ever lip service and complete fucking waste of time because the people at the top wanted to protect their cushy number rather than really wanting to protect patients.

These executives should be in the dock alongside her. You can't legislate for a nutter in your midst, but she would have been stopped after just a few deaths if these executives had any real interest in safeguarding. If they had then they would have paid any attention to the SEVEN Senior Consultants who wanted her removed.

They sacrificed children's lives to carry on feathering their own nests. They are as guilty as she is for any deaths after the 3rd one.
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I've got a startup that uses multiplayer games like scenarios for training to replace traditional e-learning. One of the areas we started to push was real effectiveness for compliance training compared to traditional e-learning because it creates real discussion (and conflict) around the ethical dilemmas and norms etc. However we pulled back from this because if I had a penny for every time I got told in coded language by a senior exec that they didn't really want true compliance (because with that came a bag load of other issues as the business model didn't actually work if the rules were followed to the spirit rather than letter of the law) but instead were really after plausible deniability for lowest unit cost. I even once got told this completely explicitly by an SRO in a major bank, off the record of course. I've also had the HR director of a major UK retailer that sells itself on ethical values tell me after a successful pilot that was supposed to help create 'a culture of challenge' that they wouldn't be going forward because the people in the pilot had started to (legitimately) challenge across a variety of unexpected areas and what they really wanted was employees to challenge but for management to have the ability to control the level of challenge :-(

There are plenty of big employers in this country where the management culture leaves something to be desired.
 
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