Luke shaw

[Bulldoglikeapproach]

Even Kolorov offers occasional goals and set piece potential.

I just don't get it, so to help me get it, someone on here give me specific instances of any game this player has so single handedly changed that we must buy him?

This is not a WUM, please step forward and enlighten me!

He's young, English, Quick, has pace, is fast, can read the game well, can cross the ball, already one of the best left backs in the Premiership and only going to get better.

Nationality is largely irrelevant and being English will only increase the price.

'Quick, has pace and is fast' - So is Clichy, Good hype, but are those not all the same?

'Can read the game' - Complete subjective nonsense of course! Who said he is any better at 'Reading the Game' than any other Full-Back available?

'Can cross' - Better than Kolorov who is without doubt the best striker of a cross at City?

'Already one of the best' - Evidence, the thing I have asked for, where is it?

'Only going to get better' - Older agreed, Better can you be certain?

So, in short, fuck all hard evidence, just personal opinion which my personal opinion tells me is overhyped subjective shite!

Same question again to everyone else; Show me the factual evidence or answer these questions from me?

Can he take free kicks better than Baines, is he a better player than Coentrao or does he score as many goals with his head as Evra? Of course the answer your looking for is 'No' and until the answer to that question is 'Yes' then I suggest we let some other club spend their cash whilst taking a punt on a young lad that is clearly lot to prove.

A lot of subjectivity in your response too, to be fair. I would disagree that his nationality is irrelevant, though. There are rules in the premier league that require us to have a minimum of homegrown players. If we are forced to have English players, we should be trying to get the best English players. He may not be the best LB in the world, but he's certainly one of the best young English players.

It's difficult to "prove" any of the things above, because "reading the game" and overall contribution can be tough to quantify with stats. I do know he's a key player for the 2nd best defense in the premier league, and has already made about 40 premier league apperances at just age 18.I do know Mr wenger has talked specifically about his quality several times (he knows a bit about football), and the southampton fans i know (a couple of them) say he's better at this point in his career than bale or walcott.

I don't have many statistics, but I can say from watching Shaw (5 or 6 times this year) he has much better speed, stamina, size and athleticism to Kolarov. Kolarov is better set piece taker but Shaw's crossing is very good and his free kicks are above average too. He is much more like Clichy in his speed and style of play, but has a better delivery than Clichy.

Is he a better player than Coentrao? Yes he is, already (IMO). He's miles ahead of Evra (who has been absolutely ghastly defensively this year, despite a few goals). Again, that's just my eyeball test. I think he's about on par with Baines, but is better defensively and is 10 years younger.

 

[supercity88]

Let's just get Ward-Prowse as well to cover the set piece difference between Shaw and Kolorov. You look at Clichy and he has been off form this season, he wasn't great last season. In fact he never has been great. He is a good player but there are several players out there better than him. I would say defensively Baines and Cole and 100% better than him, attacking wise Kolorov provides more. A player that is some of both Kolorov and Clichy would be ideal. Shaw has a huge level of experience for his age and is undoubtedly extremely talented. He would be an ideal player to bring in to push Clichy. He is playing in a similar system to ours where emphasis is on passing the ball and providing an overlap and this is the sort of player we should look to invest in.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I'd love to get Shaw, Ward-Prowse and even Chambers. These three seem to have the mental ability to cope with the top level as well as very good technical and tactical skills.

£30m for the three of them.

 

[spinzer]

Jose Angel Tasendé.. nuff said really, but hey, i'll elaborate.
I belive we have a major prospect in Tasende, he is a very very good crosser of the ball, he is so good going forward, has a nice touch, great shot and he is good Technical. He is quite a decent tackler aswell. He currently is 16 years old, plays for our EDS, for our u19 youth league and actually also our u18. He gets alot of games under his belt, and he copes with it very good, has a good attitude and speaks great english for a spanish lad. I belive he will begin to sniff around in our first team in a year or two, and should be good to see if he continues his progress and is able to nail down a spot in our team!

 

[FantasyIreland]

You look at Clichy and he has been off form this season, he wasn't great last season. In fact he never has been great. He is a good player but there are several players out there better than him.

I think that's very unfair,he was certainly great in our title winning season.Granted he has gone off the boil recently but he is still an excellent option,he would certainly be the best reserve in the league if we brought in a superior such as Shaw.

At 7m I think Clichy has proven an excellent purchase,he has definitely repaid that amount and some......<br /><br />-- 09 Dec 2013 11:58 --<br /><br />

Jose Angel Tasendé.. nuff said really, but hey, i'll elaborate.
I belive we have a major prospect in Tasende, he is a very very good crosser of the ball, he is so good going forward, has a nice touch, great shot and he is good Technical. He is quite a decent tackler aswell. He currently is 16 years old, plays for our EDS, for our u19 youth league and actually also our u18. He gets alot of games under his belt, and he copes with it very good, has a good attitude and speaks great english for a spanish lad. I belive he will begin to sniff around in our first team in a year or two, and should be good to see if he continues his progress and is able to nail down a spot in our team!

Agreed,an excellent prospect,destined for stardom imo.

Clichy will just be on his way out when he fully matures.Kolarov hopefully long gone.

 

[ancoats]

hungry young and a great left foot what more do you need

 

[Jimfv1]

If our scouts and manager think Shaw can fit in the club now then we should do all we can to sign him and sell one of our current left backs. The other option would be to sign him and loan him back to Southampton or someone similar and continue his development for another season.

His age is a positive for us, if he is good enough at 18 then all the better, let's hope he continues to develop and can keep playing at the top level all his career like Ashley Cole. If this happens, then I'd be really pissed if we hadn't tried to sign him when we could. I'm amazed that other clubs, Chelsea in particular can sign so many good players and loan them out for season after season and yet they still make money when they sell them on, although there are quite a few Chelsea fans who would like both Lukaku and Courtious to be at the club now. A few teams, and we're one of them, don't give younger players much time, Nastasic is our exception, but when you're good enough, you're old enough. Nastasic is more than capable of playing 10 games at a time but then he should be rested for four or five games to avoid burning out a young player. Pellegrini played Isco sparingly, Rodgers rested Sterling when he could, these young players need to be carefully managed to avoid Michael Owen type of burnout, and finished by the time their 26.

If we can sign him now then great, I think it would be a good move, and would strengthen an area that needs it. If our scouts and DoF decide to go for someone else or wait 3-4 years for one of our EDS/Academy players to break through then I'll respect that decision, but if we have the chance to buy a top quality English left back then we should at least show an interest in signing him, even if only to drive up the price.

 

[CatMan]

I seem to remember another 'World Beater' of a full back, who won a full cap for his country at only 18 and bacame his club's youngest ever captain at 19.

Everyone in world football was raving about him and he was considered the perfect full back.

Set to captain his country and win a record number of caps for sure.

In short, not only at 18 had he actually played for his country, he was certain to improve beyond anything ever seen before as a full back. A new breed of footballer we were told!

Sound familiar?

Well it should, because he now sits on our bench week in week out and hasn't seen an international cap for 3 years!

It is of course Micah Richards, positive proof if any were needed for all the nuggets who want to rush out and buy Luke Shaw, that all that glitters is not gold!

 

[Ray78]

I seem to remember another 'World Beater' of a full back, who won a full cap for his country at only 18 and bacame his club's youngest ever captain at 19.

Everyone in world football was raving about him and he was considered the perfect full back.

Set to captain his country and win a record number of caps for sure.

In short, not only at 18 had he actually played for his country, he was certain to improve beyond anything ever seen before as a full back. A new breed of footballer we were told!

Sound familiar?

Well it should, because he now sits on our bench week in week out and hasn't seen an international cap for 3 years!

It is of course Micah Richards, positive proof if any were needed for all the nuggets who want to rush out and buy Luke Shaw, that all that glitters is not gold!

Another star left back who came from their Academy was Wayne Bridge.

 

[CatMan]

I seem to remember another 'World Beater' of a full back, who won a full cap for his country at only 18 and bacame his club's youngest ever captain at 19.

Everyone in world football was raving about him and he was considered the perfect full back.

Set to captain his country and win a record number of caps for sure.

In short, not only at 18 had he actually played for his country, he was certain to improve beyond anything ever seen before as a full back. A new breed of footballer we were told!

Sound familiar?

Well it should, because he now sits on our bench week in week out and hasn't seen an international cap for 3 years!

It is of course Micah Richards, positive proof if any were needed for all the nuggets who want to rush out and buy Luke Shaw, that all that glitters is not gold!

Another star left back who came from their Academy was Wayne Bridge.

Exactly.

Q.E.D.