Madeleine McCann

[Ban-jani]

They missed 2 opportunities to see someone entering/leaving.
If you want folk to agree they could see some of the apartment I think most will.
You will never get folk to agree they could see all of the entry/egress points to/from the apartment and that they were sat constantly watching those points without taking their eyes off the apartment because they couldn’t and they didn’t.

I’m not trying to get anyone to agree to that, as I don’t believe they could myself.

The McCann’s aren’t claiming they could see every entrance.

 

[Ban-jani]

Do you think they would have been treated differently if it was jobless Gavin and Stacey off a council estate?

Yes but that isn’t the point.

I’ve not even debated that here so I’m unsure as to why you’re asking me that.

 

[2sheikhs]

Glass and plastic doesn’t have the same reflective ability at night, that isn’t defying science.

The only difference is that with plastic not being perfectly flat like glass or perspex, is that it's crinkled, making the view even less clear.
The apartment, even if partially seen in daylight hours, could not have been seen at night. That's a fact.

 

[Fame Monster]

All through this thread you come up with different scenarios, then it's, I've been told, rumour as it, etc etc.

So point one, Where have you heard he was deeply unhappy with his daughter Madeline, Number two, Where have you got the info from that Madeline was a handful?

My initial thoughts remain the same: that she was abducted, and the so-called incriminating evidence provided/generated by the Portuguese police and the dogs were laughable, and the McCanns are innocent of everything other than bad parenting (although not criminally bad parenting). But given some of the other evidence-shy theories being put forward, I'd thought I'd advance some alternative theories of my own.

 

[Ban-jani]

Seriously u want us to believe some intruder was pissing about going in and out of a window with a child rather then take the unlocked patio?

Yes - as the window was closed before they left and was then open.

It could be that the intruder opened the window to look and then used the patio door but the window was used.

 

[Fame Monster]

On the entrances debate btw:

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.088...4!1syfhqjLI9uFEJDOfAcFOdIA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

[Machiavelli]

I’m not trying to get anyone to agree to that, as I don’t believe they could myself.

The McCann’s aren’t claiming they could see every entrance.

So then what you’ve been arguing is a moot point.
If someone calls the McCanns negligent for leaving their kids alone it’s pointless to defend them by saying “they could sort of see the apartment but not all the entries/exits”

 

[Ban-jani]

So then what you’ve been arguing is a moot point.
If someone calls the McCanns negligent for leaving their kids alone it’s pointless to defend them by saying “they could sort of see the apartment but not all the entries/exits”

As I said it’s not a perfect situation by any means, my point is that they were that close they could see it - hence Gerry suggesting it felt like they were eating in the garden.

 

[Machiavelli]

My initial thoughts remain the same: that she was abducted, and the so-called incriminating evidence provided/generated by the Portuguese police and the dogs were laughable, and the McCanns are innocent of everything other than bad parenting (although not criminally bad parenting). But given some of the other evidence-shy theories being put forward, I'd thought I'd advance some alternative theories of my own.

They’re not theories of your own though. The IVF and Gerry being a paedo has been out there for years.
IVF doesn’t make you pregnant by another man btw.

 

[Machiavelli]

Yes - as the window was closed before they left and was then open.

It could be that the intruder opened the window to look and then used the patio door but the window was used.

Where are you getting that from? Hopefully not the same documentary that point blank refuses the possibility of the window being opened from the outside! They had an independent expert confirm this on the documentary.