Madeleine McCann

[Proy]

there's been plenty of cases where people leave their kids in a car at a casino or shopping centre, not much difference really. certainly not good parenting but tends not to be considered gross neglect

You've acknowledged its poor parenting so I do have to question at what point it becomes neglect in your eyes because they are now a daughter missing.

If that's not neglect then stone me!

 

[asahartford1]

I wonder if they left their jewellery and bundles of cash lying around in an unlocked apartment, or is that different ?

 

[bluemoon32]

I wonder if they left their jewellery and bundles of cash lying around in an unlocked apartment, or is that different ?

Nah, they locked up the things that mean the most to them

 

[york away to this!]

I wonder if they left their jewellery and bundles of cash lying around in an unlocked apartment, or is that different ?

Although they tried, the nippers couldn't be crammed in to the mini-safe.

 

[2sheikhs]

If I am the target of that caustic tone, I fear you are about to dial a disconnected line. I know you are keen to help, so let me help you understand my position, espoused many times on this thread. I do not believe they were in any way involved with the disappearance of their daughter. I do believe they were negligent in their duty of care towards their children (all of them- regardless of the consequential outcome of each) given full consideration of the facts surrounding the case. On this I think we agree. I don't believe retributive punishment for those actions serves any purpose and that is no reflection of their employment or perceived class. I have not sat on any fence.

I would contend that most debates, including this one, are not binary. I would further add that I have complete contempt for the view that the popular inclination of society at a particular point in time can be an arbiter of the reasons someone ought to act in a particular way; with this type of relativism any action can be justified. Their actions, I believe, were in breach of their duty of care to their children- but not because 'society says' so.

When you make your posts, are you standing upright, wearing a white curly wig with your hands on your lapels?
;-)

 

[Postman Pep]

Dial a disconnected line, do you work for BT? Speak English man.

Sometimes what society says is absolutely right. Please don't muddy the waters by generalizing, because sometimes what society says is wrong. I absolutely accept that.

However on this occasion its absolutely not and so should be listened to.

99% of people find fault in the way they handled that night, unfortunately we have 2 posters on here who fall in to the remaining percentage and that's making it a challenge to put the point out.

There is no grey in whether or not they should have left their kids alone because the ultimate fucking result is they are now a child short.

Quite the price to pay but I'm afraid that's what happens when you are completely neglectful in your duty as a parent.

It's not just the way they handled that night they did the same thing every night. What makes it worse is that the resort catered for such selfish behaviour by providing an evening creche which I'm presuming they didn't use due to the hassle of settling the kids down after a night indulging themselves after all Gerry needed a good kip before his game of tennis. All the sympathy goes to the kids not these selfish cunts

 

[Dr.Faustus]

Dial a disconnected line, do you work for BT? Speak English man.

Sometimes what society says is absolutely right. Please don't muddy the waters by generalizing, because sometimes what society says is wrong. I absolutely accept that.

However on this occasion its absolutely not and so should be listened to.

99% of people find fault in the way they handled that night, unfortunately we have 2 posters on here who fall in to the remaining percentage and that's making it a challenge to put the point out.

There is no grey in whether or not they should have left their kids alone because the ultimate fucking result is they are now a child short.

Quite the price to pay but I'm afraid that's what happens when you are completely neglectful in your duty as a parent.

You said you 'had my number'- that retort was, by way of analogy, stating that you obviously had not understood my position at all.

Its not muddying the waters to state that if your only standard in assessing behaviour is what society expects; that what society expects provides sufficient justification for how one ought to act, then any morally vacuous action can be justified. The standard you set in that post has the effect that if leaving your kids was the popular thing to do then it would be ok. I disagree and note you have heavily rolled back on that idea in your latest post.

I happen to agree with you, as I have said on many occasions that I think they were negligent, but no issue is binary.

 

[asahartford1]

Although they tried, the nippers couldn't be crammed in to the mini-safe.

I never trust those holiday safes

 

[Dr.Faustus]

When you make your posts, are you standing upright, wearing a white curly wig with your hands on your lapels?
;-)

I chose not to take the professional qualification- so no :)

 

[Dr.Faustus]

It's not just the way they handled that night they did the same thing every night. What makes it worse is that the resort catered for such selfish behaviour by providing an evening creche which I'm presuming they didn't use due to the hassle of settling the kids down after a night indulging themselves after all Gerry needed a good kip before his game of tennis. All the sympathy goes to the kids not these selfish cunts

That is the strangest element of the whole thing, unfathomable.