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gazhinio said:
fuck knows, they were suspects at one point, not sure if they still are.
im not saying they're 100% quilty but somethings certainly fishy.
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fuck knows, they were suspects at one point, not sure if they still are.
im not saying they're 100% quilty but somethings certainly fishy.
ban-mcfc said:gazhinio said:ban-mcfc said:well im not 100% on the whole case but the fact that the sniffer dog has a 100% record and picked the scent of a dead body in the house and on the boot of the car doesn't suggest pure fantasy to me.
Ok so my pure fantasy comment was ott, however if all this is correct and been checked out....why no arrest?
fuck knows, they were suspects at one point, not sure if they still are.
im not saying they're 100% quilty but somethings certainly fishy.
Dont get me wrong mate, when you read all the evidence and watch programmes showing how they did do it/how they could of done it etc...it certainly does raise an high-brow!
However I'm going to stick with the hard facts and my gut-instinct on this one!
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gazhinio said:ban-mcfc said:gazhinio said:Ok so my pure fantasy comment was ott, however if all this is correct and been checked out....why no arrest?
fuck knows, they were suspects at one point, not sure if they still are.
im not saying they're 100% quilty but somethings certainly fishy.
Dont get me wrong mate, when you read all the evidence and watch programmes showing how they did do it/how they could of done it etc...it certainly does raise an high-brow!
However I'm going to stick with the hard facts and my gut-instinct on this one!
fair enough mate. im still unsure really.
it would be great though to finally find out what had really happened.
Prestwich_Blue
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It is all quite difficult to believe isn't it? I assume no charges were brought because they presumably couldn't prove beyond reasonable doubt that the body was actually Maddy's.gazhinio said:Ok so my pure fantasy comment was ott, however if all this is correct and been checked out....why no arrest?
gaudinho's stolen car
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Without a body it will be almost impossible to ever charge anyone with anything, that is the cornerstone of the case. How can you have a murder with no body?
glen quagmire
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gaudinho's stolen car said:Without a body it will be almost impossible to ever charge anyone with anything, that is the cornerstone of the case. How can you have a murder with no body?
Just for you GSC. http://www.victimsofthestate.org/CC/WB.htm
gaudinho's stolen car
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glen quagmire said:gaudinho's stolen car said:Without a body it will be almost impossible to ever charge anyone with anything, that is the cornerstone of the case. How can you have a murder with no body?
Just for you GSC. http://www.victimsofthestate.org/CC/WB.htm
Cheers Glen. I haven't read them all, because I can't be arsed, but did they all end up being overturned? And was only one in the UK, 37 years ago?
Prestwich_Blue
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It would depend on the Portuguese legal system though.glen quagmire said:gaudinho's stolen car said:Without a body it will be almost impossible to ever charge anyone with anything, that is the cornerstone of the case. How can you have a murder with no body?
Just for you GSC. http://www.victimsofthestate.org/CC/WB.htm
gaudinho's stolen car
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Prestwich_Blue said:It would depend on the Portuguese legal system though.glen quagmire said:gaudinho's stolen car said:Without a body it will be almost impossible to ever charge anyone with anything, that is the cornerstone of the case. How can you have a murder with no body?
Just for you GSC. http://www.victimsofthestate.org/CC/WB.htm
Any legal system which would allow a murder conviction with no body or witness should not be recognised by the UK, especially when it comes to our citizens.
metalblue
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gaudinho's stolen car said:Prestwich_Blue said:It would depend on the Portuguese legal system though.glen quagmire said:Just for you GSC. http://www.victimsofthestate.org/CC/WB.htm
Any legal system which would allow a murder conviction with no body or witness should not be recognised by the UK, especially when it comes to our citizens.
Circumstational evidence is sufficient to bring a murder charge in this country. According to the CPS there are several cases, where no body has been found, brought to trial each year
I would imagine it takes time for a body to emit odours that would be classed as cadaver scent.
Bringing a dog into a place were the coroner (and countless other people) had been, is not ideal for a positive indication.
The coroner is around dead bodies day in day out.
The press loved to report the positive indication by the dog, as proof she was in the hire car.
It was only later it was discovered the car was hired well after she went missing.
People then decided, they must have hid the body and moved it later in the new car.
People just changed the "facts" to fit their theories.
If they are so clever to pull this off, how stupid would they have to be to, to try and move the body once the police were involved.
The press were sniffing around like flies, and the whole continent of Europe were on alert.
They thought "I know, let's go get the body and move it somewhere safer, nobody will be watching or following us".
Just imagine you have just had your child snatched and you are in total panic/melt down, and the Police who should be doing everything in their powers to find her suddenly start questioning you.
I think I would have punched anybody who even slightly suggested i had any part in it.
The McCanns have advisors who help filter any reports or sightings.
They don't dismiss any claim out of hand, but they do have a process to focus effort only on credible leads.
This means they don't waste valuable time and efforts on wild Goose chases.
Bringing a dog into a place were the coroner (and countless other people) had been, is not ideal for a positive indication.
The coroner is around dead bodies day in day out.
The press loved to report the positive indication by the dog, as proof she was in the hire car.
It was only later it was discovered the car was hired well after she went missing.
People then decided, they must have hid the body and moved it later in the new car.
People just changed the "facts" to fit their theories.
If they are so clever to pull this off, how stupid would they have to be to, to try and move the body once the police were involved.
The press were sniffing around like flies, and the whole continent of Europe were on alert.
They thought "I know, let's go get the body and move it somewhere safer, nobody will be watching or following us".
Just imagine you have just had your child snatched and you are in total panic/melt down, and the Police who should be doing everything in their powers to find her suddenly start questioning you.
I think I would have punched anybody who even slightly suggested i had any part in it.
The McCanns have advisors who help filter any reports or sightings.
They don't dismiss any claim out of hand, but they do have a process to focus effort only on credible leads.
This means they don't waste valuable time and efforts on wild Goose chases.
Prestwich_Blue
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The requirement to have a body before a murder charge could be brought was dropped about 50 years ago.gaudinho's stolen car said:Prestwich_Blue said:It would depend on the Portuguese legal system though.glen quagmire said:Just for you GSC. http://www.victimsofthestate.org/CC/WB.htm
Any legal system which would allow a murder conviction with no body or witness should not be recognised by the UK, especially when it comes to our citizens.
There was considered to be enough evidence to pass to a prosecutor to see if charges could be brought but they decided against it and the case was archived. The police's main hypothesis still stands; that Madeleine died in the apartment but it would be difficult to prove that the McCanns were the ones responsible.
M18CTID
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gaudinho's stolen car said:Prestwich_Blue said:It would depend on the Portuguese legal system though.glen quagmire said:Just for you GSC. http://www.victimsofthestate.org/CC/WB.htm
Any legal system which would allow a murder conviction with no body or witness should not be recognised by the UK, especially when it comes to our citizens.
But that has happened over here. I mentioned the Helen McCourt case a few pages back - the landlord of her local was convicted of her murder despite there being no body and no witnesses. Admittedly, DNA helped secure a conviction (the first time that DNA evidence has been used).
And I'll remind everyone that although the case got thrown out in the end, a murder charge was brought against Colin Stagg despite the police having far less on him than the evidence against the McCanns.
metalblue
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mackenzie said:She answers most of the accusations in her book. I actually find it sickening that these two people are hounded like this.Prestwich_Blue said:Never mind the evidence - her feminine intuiton says they are innocent and that's that.SWP's back said:Yep ric and PB, I think you are both right. I'd like to know Mackenzie's thoughts on those question to see how she squares them off with her view that they had nothing to do with it.
I say she addresses some of the questions rather than answers them, for example on the veranda question she says she was yelling as soon as the table was in sight but doesn't know why she didn't raise the alarm from the veranda perhaps understandable behaviour? she didn't turn the light on in the room to confirm maddie wasn't there prior to raising the alarm and against doesn't know why, perhaps she just knew? For me for every question she tries to address she ends up with more questions than answers, but I approached the book as a sceptic and I think that will go a long way to how you interpret it.
Prestwich_Blue
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The corpse needs to have been in place for 2 hours before the scent can be detected. Plus I think you have an incorrect view of what a coroner does. He's effectively a judge and would not come into contact with dead bodies nor would he usually visit the scene. His job is to sit in court and take evidence about the circumstances surrounding the death.fulabeer said:I would imagine it takes time for a body to emit odours that would be classed as cadaver scent.
Bringing a dog into a place were the coroner (and countless other people) had been, is not ideal for a positive indication. The coroner is around dead bodies day in day out.
But for all people dismiss the idea that the McCanns killed their daughter (and I can understand why) there are a number of contradictory indicators that shift suspicion onto them.
- The initial claim that the shutters had been forced, quickly proven to be false
The evidence of Jane Tanner that she saw a man carrying a body at 9:15, which has been comprehensively demolished by three other witnesses including Gerry McCann
The fact they didn't call the police for 20 minutes but apparently spent the time compiling a timeline
The contradicvtory evidence about the visit of their friend David Payner to the apartment in late-afternoon
The contradictory evidence about Gerry McCann's whereabouts at around the same time
Kate's refusal to answer questions
Etc.
metalblue
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fulabeer said:I would imagine it takes time for a body to emit odours that would be classed as cadaver scent.
Bringing a dog into a place were the coroner (and countless other people) had been, is not ideal for a positive indication.
The coroner is around dead bodies day in day out.
The press loved to report the positive indication by the dog, as proof she was in the hire car.
It was only later it was discovered the car was hired well after she went missing.
People then decided, they must have hid the body and moved it later in the new car.
People just changed the "facts" to fit their theories.
If they are so clever to pull this off, how stupid would they have to be to, to try and move the body once the police were involved.
The press were sniffing around like flies, and the whole continent of Europe were on alert.
They thought "I know, let's go get the body and move it somewhere safer, nobody will be watching or following us".
Just imagine you have just had your child snatched and you are in total panic/melt down, and the Police who should be doing everything in their powers to find her suddenly start questioning you.
I think I would have punched anybody who even slightly suggested i had any part in it.
The McCanns have advisors who help filter any reports or sightings.
They don't dismiss any claim out of hand, but they do have a process to focus effort only on credible leads.
This means they don't waste valuable time and efforts on wild Goose chases.
All you are doing is highlighting why it would be difficult to bring charges NOT that they aren't responsible.
What makes me laugh is somehow they have managed to bring the focus to did they / didn't they where the simple fact is had they not been selfish fucktards and stayed in with their kids, who nobody forced them to have, instead of fucking off out, no matter it was only over the road, this kid would not be missing, for that alone they should be in prison.
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metalblue said:All you are doing is highlighting why it would be difficult to bring charges NOT that they aren't responsible.
What makes me laugh is somehow they have managed to bring the focus to did they / didn't they where the simple fact is had they not been selfish fucktards and stayed in with their kids, who nobody forced them to have, instead of fucking off out, no matter it was only over the road, this kid would not be missing, for that alone they should be in prison.
i agree. i read the serialisation of kate's book in the sun and every few lines couldn't help but think "yes, all very well and good, but you fucked off and left your children alone in a foreign country."
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Well I have to agree with you there.
Except no good would come from it.
No prison sentence would be harder than what they are going through.
It would hamper efforts to find her, and punish the remaining kids.(who have already lost a sister etc)
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metalblue said:What makes me laugh is somehow they have managed to bring the focus to did they / didn't they where the simple fact is had they not been selfish fucktards and stayed in with their kids, who nobody forced them to have, instead of fucking off out, no matter it was only over the road, this kid would not be missing, for that alone they should be in prison.
Well I have to agree with you there.
Except no good would come from it.
No prison sentence would be harder than what they are going through.
It would hamper efforts to find her, and punish the remaining kids.(who have already lost a sister etc)
There is always another theory about the dogs of course; that the 'evidence' was planted. It took them three months to use the dogs, when their practices were already well under discussion and coming in for criticism. It took them 12 hours to even set up roadblocks and checks.
They knew they had loused up and went for the 'easy target', the parents. I'm not surprised the parents were reticent by this point, what with the hideously mangled translation on offer I don't think I would have been receptive to being questioned either!
They knew they had loused up and went for the 'easy target', the parents. I'm not surprised the parents were reticent by this point, what with the hideously mangled translation on offer I don't think I would have been receptive to being questioned either!