Madeleine McCann

Ban-jani said:
Probably a lot of parents.

They could see the main door from their seating area, if that door opened they would know about it.

Yeah who eats tapas and drinks wine on holiday!
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You keep saying this and you're wrong. They couldn't see the unlocked patio door from where they were as it was at the back of the apartment. Anyone could have walked in and out and they wouldn't have had a clue.
 
inchy14 said:
Of course the fact they were drinking matters, alcohol affects the senses, they could have been to drunk to help her if she'd fell into the pool for example. And from 77 meters away, as you keep liking to point out, after a few drinks they probably wouldn't have heard her either.

Can't believe anyone is defending their actions that night, the first job of a parent is to look after their children and keep them safe, something they failed to do out of nothing more than selfish reasons.

Cunts the pair of them.
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I said eating not drinking.

I have no argument against the drinking side other than that they weren’t drunk. They initiated a search that night, had about an hours sleep and were back out looking at sunrise.

My defence of them is that it wasn’t as bad as the hyperbole suggests and we don’t really know what it was like to be them in that scenario.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You keep saying this and you're wrong. They couldn't see the unlocked patio door from where they were as it was at the back of the apartment. Anyone could have walked in and out and they wouldn't have had a clue.
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If you go by the kidnapping theory then you're correct, they obviously didn't have a clue that someone walked into the apartment
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You keep saying this and you're wrong. They couldn't see the unlocked patio door from where they were as it was at the back of the apartment. Anyone could have walked in and out and they wouldn't have had a clue.
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They could.

There were trees and a plastic sheet but the view also included part of the door which they would have seen, should it of opened.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You keep saying this and you're wrong. They couldn't see the unlocked patio door from where they were as it was at the back of the apartment. Anyone could have walked in and out and they wouldn't have had a clue.
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Even if all egress points were in full view of the bar there is no way that it could be guaranteed that someone going in or out would be seen. A convivial evening with or without alcohol and it would easy to miss something happening 77.38 metres away.
 
Ban-jani said:
They could.

There were trees and a plastic sheet but the view also included part of the door which they would have seen, should it of opened.
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the point is mate they didn't, a gross error of judgement which will affect them for the rest of their lives, they felt it was more important to have a few bevvies than to have their pesky kids getting in the way
why they couldn't have had them all in their buggies asleep by the side of them i'll never know. that's what we always did
 
tonea2003 said:
the point is mate they didn't, a gross error of judgement which will affect them for the rest of their lives, they felt it was more important to have a few bevvies than to have their pesky kids getting in the way
why they couldn't have had them all in their buggies asleep by the side of them i'll never know. that's what we always did
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They didn’t feel bevvies were more important - they probably felt the kids were perfectly safe and were unaware an abduction was being planned.

That’s my main point.

I don’t believe the thought “sod the kids” entered their heads.
 
Ban-jani said:
They didn’t feel bevvies were more important - they probably felt the kids were perfectly safe and were unaware an abduction was being planned.

That’s my main point.

I don’t believe the thought “sod the kids” entered their heads.
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See the issue then becomes is that they were leaving them in a day crèche as well. One would understandably have the impression that the kids were an inconvenience to them at best
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
See the issue then becomes is that they were leaving them in a day crèche as well. One would understandably have the impression that the kids were an inconvenience to them at best
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For a period of the day.

It wasn’t all day - every day I don’t believe.

The crèche was designed for the kids enjoyment too.

Several other witnesses left their kids in the same crèche as it was good for playing with other kids.

The parents would often hang around and watch the crèche too.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
One of my earliest memories was going to Blackpool with mum and dad for the weekend and on the Saturday night they went downstairs for a meal and left me alone in the room. I must have been about Maddie’s age, possibly a bit older. My brother (who is four years younger) wasn’t there. Mum might have been pregnant with him iirc.

I got up in the middle of the night (when they were downstairs) went into the corridor, where this old bird asked me if I was lost. I lied and said yes (not sure why). She took me downstairs to the bar, where her husband was and she bought me a drink (coke) and then my folks turned up a few minutes later. Got a right bollocking off my mum. It could have ended up very differently.

My mum and dad are both brilliant parents. Just because someone has failed to properly evaluate risk when it comes to their kids, doesn't mean they are otherwise shit parents or ‘bad’ people. People are complicated and can simply fuck up without any malign intent.
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I think there's a significant difference between what happened to you and the McCann situation to be honest. Firstly, I doubt your parents did it night after night while you were on holiday. Secondly, and this is quite important IMO, we're talking 2 totally different eras. Way back then, there wasn't anything like the same wall to wall publicity about paedophiles that you get now. Sure, they still existed and kids still got abducted, plus we were told by our parents "not to talk to strangers", but the general perception - rightly or wrongly - was that it was an altogether more innocent time.

What happened to Maddie happened in 2007, not 1977, and they (the McCanns) would've had to have been living on another planet not to be aware of the increased publicity surrounding paedophiles as time has gone on, meaning that leaving your kids alone isn't particularly acceptable in this day and age. (That's aside from all the other potential pitfalls around leaving kids so young on their own in terms of accidents, etc). Same goes for the analogy the blue phantom posted about smoking in cars with kids in. It might've gone on a lot back in the 70's but it's nowhere near as commonplace these days.
 
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Ban-jani said:
For a period of the day.

It wasn’t all day - every day I don’t believe.

The crèche was designed for the kids enjoyment too.

Several other witnesses left their kids in the same crèche as it was good for playing with other kids.

The parents would often hang around and watch the crèche too.
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I would have to look into it in more detail but that's definitely not the impression I was given. Combine leaving them in a day crèche, with leaving them in the apartment every night, I don't really see how your can swing that the kids were an important part of their holiday
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
I would have to look into it in more detail but that's definitely not the impression I was given. Combine leaving them in a day crèche, with leaving them in the apartment every night, I don't really see how your can swing that the kids were an important part of their holiday
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There has been a fair amount of footage and pictures of Maddie on that holiday used in both the documentaries and by the police/media.

More so than I can ever remember my family holidays having.

I’m not saying this is definitive proof they were excellent parents all week, just that they wouldn’t have had so many pictures/videos if they just ditched them 24/7.
 
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