Madeleine McCann

Cityfan said:
Actually what they did was have a meal after they'd put their kids to bed, kind of like what an awful lot of people do.
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So your moaning about giving kids sweets which according to you leads to self harming but defending them leaving their kids unattended which resulted to one of their kids going missing?
Ridiculous. I take you don’t give your kids sweets but leave them on their own then?
 
@Cityfan will likely be morally confused by this ;)
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Machiavelli said:
So your moaning about giving kids sweets which according to you leads to self harming but defending them leaving their kids unattended which resulted to one of their kids going missing?
Ridiculous. I take you don’t give your kids sweets but leave them on their own then?
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I am not moaning about kids getting sweets, I said harm as occurred to more kids as a result.
I am not critical of kids getting sweets or of what the McCanns did.
 
Cityfan said:
It makes it normal behaviour.
My parents generation always put their kids out in front of the house to sleep in a pram, no one would have thought twice about leaving kids outside a shop in a push chair.
On the continent in holiday camps it is normal to leave your kids sleeping when you are having meal
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It was ok to be a racist, sexist homophobe as well.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
One of my earliest memories was going to Blackpool with mum and dad for the weekend and on the Saturday night they went downstairs for a meal and left me alone in the room. I must have been about Maddie’s age, possibly a bit older. My brother (who is four years younger) wasn’t there. Mum might have been pregnant with him iirc.

I got up in the middle of the night (when they were downstairs) went into the corridor, where this old bird asked me if I was lost. I lied and said yes (not sure why). She took me downstairs to the bar, where her husband was and she bought me a drink (coke) and then my folks turned up a few minutes later. Got a right bollocking off my mum. It could have ended up very differently.

My mum and dad are both brilliant parents. Just because someone has failed to properly evaluate risk when it comes to their kids, doesn't mean they are otherwise shit parents or ‘bad’ people. People are complicated and can simply fuck up without any malign intent.
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Newman Noggs said:
Very true. Oddly enough, one of my earliest memories is of getting separated from my parents on the beach at Blackpool. I was probably only 3 or 4. In the 60s there were thousands of people on there, much more crowded than it is now.

Someone found me and took me to a caravan specifically for lost kids where I was given an ice cream and told to wait. Sounds sinister these days, but eventually my parents showed up and claimed me. No trauma, no "stress", innocent days.
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Whether you were rightly or wrongly left alone, these stick in your heads as separation from parents and caregivers as a dependent is a distressing occurrence. It’s closely linked to your survival needs.

I remember wandering off in a busy theme park in America as I started following a fella who looked like my dad. Panic set in and I can tell you all about that moment.

That, in itself, tells you that children shouldn’t just be left on their own when they are wholly dependent on your care and attention. Imagine had Maddie, or one of the twins choked in the absence of themselves. They failed to take steps to ensure their child’s safety, including being in their presence, leaving them in a service designed for their leisure in the evenings or even just leaving them at home. Their deserved remorse is fuck all in comparison to what it is to the daughter they let down.
 
Ban-jani said:
I said eating not drinking.

I have no argument against the drinking side other than that they weren’t drunk. They initiated a search that night, had about an hours sleep and were back out looking at sunrise.

My defence of them is that it wasn’t as bad as the hyperbole suggests and we don’t really know what it was like to be them in that scenario.
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I've been in that scenario since i first took my lad abroad aged 3 on his first holiday, he's never ever been put in bed whilst me and the wife went out for a meal and on one holiday our apartment was next to the restaurant and he wouldn't have been 20 feet away never mind 75 metres!!

He was always with us until he fell asleep and then we'd take him to bed and if not too late have a drink on our veranda, even when he got older we let he run around with other kids on whatever complex we were on but never once was he left alone.

Ban-jani said:
They didn’t feel bevvies were more important - they probably felt the kids were perfectly safe and were unaware an abduction was being planned.

That’s my main point.

I don’t believe the thought “sod the kids” entered their heads.
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Sod the kids was exactly what they were thinking, they didn't want the burden of them sat at their table over a meal, what sort of fucking group of people are like this on a holiday, seems they all thought it was normal behaviour, unbelievable imo.
 
It seems the minority on here who argue against the obvious neglect leave their own children alone.
The last few pages have been constant bollocks trying to defend the indefensible, if it was ok and they could see the apartment Madeline wouldn’t have been taken. That’s the evidence to suggest it isn’t ok.
So don’t leave your kids you selfish twats.
 
Cityfan said:
Not at all just don't jump to insult folk who put their kids to bed have a meal within eyeshot of their apparent and check on them regularly.
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Being within eyeshot didn't stop an intruder from going through the unlocked door they apparently had constant eyes on from the restaurant. The fact is they were still too far away to be of any use if anything serious was to happen. They couldn't even hear one of the kids crying non-stop a couple of nights earlier.
 
Dubai Blue said:
Being within eyeshot didn't stop an intruder from going through the unlocked door they apparently had constant eyes on from the restaurant. The fact is they were still too far away to be of any use if anything serious was to happen. They couldn't even hear one of the kids crying non-stop a couple of nights earlier.
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Fucking bingo.
Indefensible behaviour from the neglectful McCanns.
 
Machiavelli said:
So your moaning about giving kids sweets which according to you leads to self harming but defending them leaving their kids unattended which resulted to one of their kids going missing?
Ridiculous. I take you don’t give your kids sweets but leave them on their own then?
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Why waste time and effort giving your kids sweets when you can leave them unattended and have a stranger do it for you?
 
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