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Madeleine McCann
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Ok cheers - will take a look tonight when I’m home
Maybe she did to see if she could see the kid outside.
I've gone over your last few posts on this thread and tbh mate I think your talking through your ass.
There is providing perspective constructively and being devils advocate, and then there is just making yourself look really silly by blindly ignoring the majority of facts. The Netflix doc is dramatized and provides nothing new in this case. If your basing your view point on it then you will be doomed for failure.
I have no clue what happened to the poor kid, but I what I can say with absolute certainty is that they covered themselves for whatever reason and were absolutely guilty of gross negligence when it comes to being a decent parent.
That doesn't mean they had involvement, although my opinion is they know what happened. So do some of the tapas 7.
I find it really hard to believe that an abduction could occur in such a heavily populated area without a single witness.
On the other hand if she was dead before hand I'm not entirely sure how they would dispose of a body, again without someone knowing.
inchy14
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It was towards the end of the week.
They had already had the majority of the holiday I believe.
Them murdering her and getting away with it is more far fetched, as there is isn’t any evidence.
There's none for an abduction either really, no forced entry, no witnesses, nothing.
Perhaps not sod all care but I think it's fair to say they gave insufficient care. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a case to discuss.
Its terrible parenting whichever way you look at it and they knew it.
PragueBlue
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Just because a child gets abducted - it doesn’t mean the parents are guilty of anything.
There’s plenty of cases where parents were present and overpowered or at gunpoint.
Of course it doesn't mean the parents are guilty because the child got abducted at gunpoint. However, in this case the parents weren't overpowered at gunpoint. They chose to leave their children unattended night after night. That pattern of behaviour is exactly what any possible abductor would be looking for as it presented an easy target and provided the opportunity to carry out the plan (if there ever was an abductor of course).
I've gone over your last few posts on this thread and tbh mate I think your talking through your ass.
There is providing perspective constructively and being devils advocate, and then there is just making yourself look really silly by blindly ignoring the majority of facts. The Netflix doc is dramatized and provides nothing new in this case. If your basing your view point on it then you will be doomed for failure.
I have no clue what happened to the poor kid, but I what I can say with absolute certainty is that they covered themselves for whatever reason and were absolutely guilty of gross negligence when it comes to being a decent parent.
That doesn't mean they had involvement, although my opinion is they know what happened. So do some of the tapas 7.
I find it really hard to believe that an abduction could occur in such a heavily populated area without a single witness.
On the other hand if she was dead before hand I'm not entirely sure how they would dispose of a body, again without someone knowing.
Haha you say I’m talking through my arse and then go on to say you find it hard to believe an abduction took place.
You’ll have to be better at a wind up than that.
The Netflix documentary was dramatised to show what could have happened! It’s also a police technique to reconstruct what could have happened in different scenarios.
They had interviews from Scotland Yard, private investigators, local and British journalists on the scene, the Portuguese local police and the national police.
The vast majority all agree there was an abduction and you think I’m the one talking out my “ass”?
Do me a favour and don’t quote me again on this thread.
Of course it doesn't mean the parents are guilty because the child got abducted at gunpoint. However, in this case the parents weren't overpowered at gunpoint. They chose to leave their children unattended night after night. That pattern of behaviour is exactly what any possible abductor would be looking for as it presented an easy target and provided the opportunity to carry out the plan (if there ever was an abductor of course).
I gave the gunpoint scenario as an example.
Another one could be that a parent goes into the garden at home and a child gets abducted from the house.
I’m happy to debate if you believe they were negligent and whilst I believe it’s not as bad as people make out, I do appreciate there is a case to answer.
What I wanted to say to your point was that just because an abduction did take place, it doesn’t automatically mean negligence, hence why I have used examples of other cases.
Haha you say I’m talking through my arse and then go on to say you find it hard to believe an abduction took place.
You’ll have to be better at a wind up than that.
The Netflix documentary was dramatised to show what could have happened! It’s also a police technique to reconstruct what could have happened in different scenarios.
They had interviews from Scotland Yard, private investigators, local and British journalists on the scene, the Portuguese local police and the national police.
The vast majority all agree there was an abduction and you think I’m the one talking out my “ass”?
Do me a favour and don’t quote me again on this thread.
You've been called out now by a number of people on this thread. You are still not listening. Nobody is claiming to know what happened but they are providing a balanced argument based on the facts available.
You have decided they are innocent. Its plain to see and I don't think you understand how to put a decent point of view across without making yourself look absolutely stupid.
There's none for an abduction either really, no forced entry, no witnesses, nothing.
Maybe true but that doesn’t mean they did it.
You've been called out now by a number of people on this thread. You are still not listening. Nobody is claiming to know what happened but they are providing a balanced argument based on the facts available.
You have decided they are innocent. Its plain to see and I don't think you understand how to put a decent point of view across without making yourself look absolutely stupid.
“You’ve been called out”
Absolutely hilarious.
There’s also others agreeing with me on this thread, supposedly their opinions don’t matter?
You’ve not commented on the actual topic and just gone along with the you’re talking shit line.
Can you tell me why the opinion of they didn’t murder her, they could have done things differently but weren’t negligent in my opinion, is that astonishing?
As I’ve said countless times, I’m open to hear why they were negligent and used to think the same myself.
Now either post about the topic and we’ll have a discussion or go and shout at traffic.
“You’ve been called out”
Absolutely hilarious.
There’s also others agreeing with me on this thread, supposedly their opinions don’t matter?
You’ve not commented on the actual topic and just gone along with the you’re talking shit line.
Can you tell me why the opinion of they didn’t murder her, they could have done things differently but weren’t negligent in my opinion, is that astonishing?
As I’ve said countless times, I’m open to hear why they were negligent and used to think the same myself.
Now either post about the topic and we’ll have a discussion or go and shout at traffic.
They left their children 70 yards away, with no sight, in a foreign country whilst they were having a jolly good piss up. If that doesn't resonate with you as negligence as a parent then I'm afraid you are way, way beyond any form of reasonable support or discussion.
Thaksinssoldier
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Haha you say I’m talking through my arse and then go on to say you find it hard to believe an abduction took place.
You’ll have to be better at a wind up than that.
The Netflix documentary was dramatised to show what could have happened! It’s also a police technique to reconstruct what could have happened in different scenarios.
They had interviews from Scotland Yard, private investigators, local and British journalists on the scene, the Portuguese local police and the national police.
The vast majority all agree there was an abduction and you think I’m the one talking out my “ass”?
Do me a favour and don’t quote me again on this thread.
The "vast majority" don't mate. There you go talking for everyone else again.
I'll go through this a tad to try make you see why you're getting on everyone's nerves with this one.
1. There's not a shred of evidence that anyone was in the apartment. None.
2. The ONLY hint of an abduction was Tanner saying she saw "someone with a kid". That's it. She didn't see anyone with Madeleine, she claimed to see someone walking with a kid in their arms.
3. This SOLITARY claim has since been dismissed by Scotland yard, so we now have ZERO proof anyone was in the apartment.
4. Immediately upon raising the alarm, Kate McCann was telling everyone in the UK(there's several sources on this) that "someone smashed(jemmied) the shutter and stole her". Again, the shutter wasn't tampered with and could only be opened from inside.
5. The floor was bleached and Madeleine's clothes and teddies were washed before being handed in to the PJs. Why?
6. Why is their timeline before this an absolute mess? When was Gerry actually playing tennis? Why are David Payne and Kate's stories of him going to apartment completely off?
Look I'm not categorically saying there wasn't an abduction, but there's as much evidence that there was as there is evidence that they murdered her. It's not cut and dry.
You've watched a Netflix documentary, made up your mind and are being stubborn to any other possibilities. If you take Tanner's very flimsy account away, there really is zero evidence of any abduction in this case. Do some more digging pal.
I'm a big believer we'll only find out what truly happened when those kids grow up and confront the parents. They'll crack.
PragueBlue
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I gave the gunpoint scenario as an example.
Another one could be that a parent goes into the garden at home and a child gets abducted from the house.
I’m happy to debate if you believe they were negligent and whilst I believe it’s not as bad as people make out, I do appreciate there is a case to answer.
What I wanted to say to your point was that just because an abduction did take place, it doesn’t automatically mean negligence, hence why I have used examples of other cases.
I understand that. My point really is that a regular pattern of leaving a child unattended is really providing an ideal opportunity for any abductor. Doing it once is not great but every evening? Just makes it too easy for anyone that way inclined.
If it genuinely was an abduction, they have paid a horrible price for their choices and I do feel for them.
The "vast majority" don't mate. There you go talking for everyone else again.
I'll go through this a tad to try make you see why you're getting on everyone's nerves with this one.
1. There's not a shred of evidence that anyone was in the apartment. None.
2. The ONLY hint of an abduction was Tanner saying she saw "someone with a kid". That's it. She didn't see anyone with Madeleine, she claimed to see someone walking with a kid in their arms.
3. This SOLITARY claim has since been dismissed by Scotland yard, so we now have ZERO proof anyone was in the apartment.
4. Immediately upon raising the alarm, Kate McCann was telling everyone in the UK(there's several sources on this) that "someone smashed(jemmied) the shutter and stole her". Again, the shutter wasn't tampered with and could only be opened from inside.
5. The floor was bleached and Madeleine's clothes and teddies were washed before being handed in to the PJs. Why?
6. Why is their timeline before this an absolute mess? When was Gerry actually playing tennis? Why are David Payne and Kate's stories of him going to apartment completely off?
Look I'm not categorically saying there wasn't an abduction, but there's as much evidence that there was as there is evidence that they murdered her. It's not cut and dry.
You've watched a Netflix documentary, made up your mind and are being stubborn to any other possibilities. If you take Tanner's very flimsy account away, there really is zero evidence of any abduction in this case. Do some more digging pal.
I'm a big believer we'll only find out what truly happened when those kids grow up and confront the parents. They'll crack.
I admire your strength but your pissing in the wind with this guy. He's gone.
Thaksinssoldier
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I admire your strength but your pissing in the wind with this guy. He's gone.
You know, I can get people having points of view about what actually happened, everyone has a theory.
But people on here saying they weren't negligent and everyone does it?
That's fecking terrifying.
stonerblue
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Av whole 70 yards? Bastards.They left their children 70 yards away, with no sight, in a foreign country whilst they were having a jolly good piss up. If that doesn't resonate with you as negligence as a parent then I'm afraid you are way, way beyond any form of reasonable support or discussion.
You know, I can get people having points of view about what actually happened, everyone has a theory.
But people on here saying they weren't negligent and everyone does it?
That's fecking terrifying.
I can imagine many people do it. Absolutely. Like you, that scares the living shit out of me.
Whichever way its dressed, its gross negligence and absolutely appalling parenting and for that alone they should have been had.
Of the 2 scenarios an abduction, whilst completely unfounded because there is not a shred of evidence, I find it more plausible and that they framed it to look like an abduction because they were guilty of such shit, shit parenting.
There is every chance they covered an accidental death, but for the life of me I cant get my head around how they would dispose of a body.
The "vast majority" don't mate. There you go talking for everyone else again.
I'll go through this a tad to try make you see why you're getting on everyone's nerves with this one.
1. There's not a shred of evidence that anyone was in the apartment. None.
2. The ONLY hint of an abduction was Tanner saying she saw "someone with a kid". That's it. She didn't see anyone with Madeleine, she claimed to see someone walking with a kid in their arms.
3. This SOLITARY claim has since been dismissed by Scotland yard, so we now have ZERO proof anyone was in the apartment.
4. Immediately upon raising the alarm, Kate McCann was telling everyone in the UK(there's several sources on this) that "someone smashed(jemmied) the shutter and stole her". Again, the shutter wasn't tampered with and could only be opened from inside.
5. The floor was bleached and Madeleine's clothes and teddies were washed before being handed in to the PJs. Why?
6. Why is their timeline before this an absolute mess? When was Gerry actually playing tennis? Why are David Payne and Kate's stories of him going to apartment completely off?
Look I'm not categorically saying there wasn't an abduction, but there's as much evidence that there was as there is evidence that they murdered her. It's not cut and dry.
You've watched a Netflix documentary, made up your mind and are being stubborn to any other possibilities. If you take Tanner's very flimsy account away, there really is zero evidence of any abduction in this case. Do some more digging pal.
I'm a big believer we'll only find out what truly happened when those kids grow up and confront the parents. They'll crack.
Not the vast majority of people - I stated the vast majority of those interviewed on the Netflix documentary.
Please don’t misquote me.
The tanner sighting has almost been disproven as didn’t the other holidaymaker claim it’s likely to have been him?
I haven’t “just watched the documentary and made my mind up” it’s made me question what I previously knew from reading and watching other bits on it and given the people they interviewed - I believe it’s the most comprehensive one out there.
In relation to the timeline - as the senior police officer on the case said - inconsistencies are often seen as normal, if Kate and Gerry had absolutely precise timelines for everything - that is more of a sign of guilt than innocence.
How much of a chance to you give to them doing it?
I admire your strength but your pissing in the wind with this guy. He's gone.
Do me a favour mate and do one
Av whole 70 yards? Bastards.
With no sight. In a foreign country. A country and particular part of the world with previous for abductions.
How any man can defend what they did is way behond my comprehension as a decent human being.
Either my kids are with me where I can see them or I move my group into the apartment.
That's called being a good fucking parent and anyone who thinks otherwise frankly are not fit to parent.