Maicon

[conormcfc]

Can't see Hughes going for this one tbh. Maicon is one of the best RB's in the world but is incredibly attacking. Not saying he can't defend, but I don't really see Hughes going after such an attacking RB. Definitely wouldn't be a Hughes comfort-zone signing that's for sure

 

[Gareth Barry Manilow]

Well for what it's worth, I don't think there any more than a dozen clubs on the planet that a player might favour over City and Robhinio and Tevez are busy demonstrating this very point. We need a mentality transplant.

So if we weren't offering more money than say Villa for a player, i think the player would consider both options carefully. We can bang on about potential all day but they can say look we finished top 6 and have european football. You can see why a player might choose that over City. So i think its all relative but there are more than a dozen.

Sorry mate but that's bollox. A team finishing 6th before you joined it holds no more appeal than a team that is highly likely to do a lot better after you've joined it.

Exactly!

Like Eto'o, Tevez, Maicon etc. would go to Everton/Villa ahead of us.

 

[johnmc]

Sorry mate but that's bollox. A team finishing 6th before you joined it holds no more appeal than a team that is highly likely to do a lot better after you've joined it.

Ok, so what they did the season before means nothing? Come on. Just disregard it? So Stoke have a clean slate I suppose compared to say Fulham. If you were offered one or the other of them who would you choose - or what would you consider?

Reality checks are needed

 

[Fuzzmaster101]

Still the best RB in the world.

Lmao!!!

Who is then?

Ramos? Alves?

Most players I've seen at right back are better. His passing is woeful and his defensive play is shocking. Yes he gets into the box and occasionally scores but his alround play is very poor indeed. Elano was better there when he played there for Sven!! Zab and Richards are both AT Least as good (I think they could potentially be better but Richards passing is as bad as Maicon's and Zabs defense is possibly as bad too). Alves is better going forward as is Ramos but Ramos is better defensively. Bosingwa is better going forward too. Maicon is a massively over-rated player and that's an understatement!

 

[Pam]

Well for what it's worth, I don't think there any more than a dozen clubs on the planet that a player might favour over City and Robhinio and Tevez are busy demonstrating this very point. We need a mentality transplant.

So if we weren't offering more money than say Villa for a player, i think the player would consider both options carefully. We can bang on about potential all day but they can say look we finished top 6 and have european football. You can see why a player might choose that over City. So i think its all relative but there are more than a dozen.

Sorry mate but that's bollox. A team finishing 6th before you joined it holds no more appeal than a team that is highly likely to do a lot better after you've joined it.

Exactly!

Like Eto'o, Tevez, Maicon etc. would go to Everton/Villa ahead of us.

'Cos Everton are the bigger club and so are Villa, even if their stadiums are falling down. and their average attendance are thousands behind our own.

Only rags and lunatics would try to argue this.

 

[johnmc]

'Cos Everton are the bigger club and so are Villa, even if their stadiums are falling down. and their average attendance are thousands behind our own.

Only rags and lunatics would try to argue this.

Pam, you don't understand. Villa and Everton would not bid for players like Eto because they could not afford him or offer him Champions league. If they could AND they were offering the same money as us then I would say they were more likely to join them. Do you really think Eto is bothered whether the stadium could do with a rennovation?? Have you been to the Nou Camp??

Right so say Arsenal, right now came in with the same bid as us for Eto and offered the same wages. Who would he choose?

 

[ninjamonkey]

Still the best RB in the world.

Lmao!!!

Who is then?

Ramos? Alves?

Most players I've seen at right back are better. His passing is woeful and his defensive play is shocking. Yes he gets into the box and occasionally scores but his alround play is very poor indeed. Elano was better there when he played there for Sven!! Zab and Richards are both AT Least as good (I think they could potentially be better but Richards passing is as bad as Maicon's and Zabs defense is possibly as bad too). Alves is better going forward as is Ramos but Ramos is better defensively. Bosingwa is better going forward too. Maicon is a massively over-rated player and that's an understatement!

You lost when you mentioned Ramos. Easily the most overated defender around. He can't defend for toffee. He's got a fancy touch and is good getting forward (despite not really having any end product) Defensively he is severely lacking he just disguises it well because of his attacking ability.

 

[bluejue]

spursmad321 wrote
whitt wrote:
I hope he's not right about everything. Will be gutted to lose Ela, think it may have a negative effect on Robinho too. Cheers for the info anyway spursmad!


Don't worry about Robinho, he will be fine. *wink*

Whilst SM later said the wink didn't mean anything - lets hope he is unwittingly physic as well as itk....

 

[Pam]

'Cos Everton are the bigger club and so are Villa, even if their stadiums are falling down. and their average attendance are thousands behind our own.

Only rags and lunatics would try to argue this.

Pam, you don't understand. Villa and Everton would not bid for players like Eto because they could not afford him or offer him Champions league. If they could AND they were offering the same money as us then I would say they were more likely to join them. Do you really think Eto is bothered whether the stadium could do with a rennovation?? Have you been to the Nou Camp??

Right so say Arsenal, right now came in with the same bid as us for Eto and offered the same wages. Who would he choose?

I understand exactly what you mean, hence I brought up factors other than financial wealth (gates and stadium). I believe you're way wrong about this, mate but I'd be interested to know your reasons for thinking it. can't imagine what you're basing it on.... and yes I do think a chip shop stadium would be a problem with all that indirect prestige and modernity (or lack of it)

 

[johnmc]

I understand exactly what you mean, hence I brought up factors other than financial wealth (gates and stadium). I believe you're way wrong about this, mate but I'd be interested to know your reasons for thinking it. I can't imagine what you're basing it on.

My reasons are footballing ones not financial. Can you honestly say that if we went into Barry and said move to us for footballing reasons coz we are on the up, your salary will be the same though, that he would come? I doubt he would. So, if Player A had two offers on the table, one from Villa and one from us worth the same financially to him, would i be 100% confident he would sign for us. No i wouldnt. They can offer European football and also say with you in our team last year we would have finished top 4. I'd point to the fact that they were top 4 for 75% of the season.

We finished 10th and new players doesnt automatically say we'll improve on that. Obviously something is wrong if we dont but stranger things have happened. Spurs the over the past couple of years have spent loads and had good managers in charge but have struggled.

A lot of people point to Real Madrid signing all these players and how it might not necessarily work and the same could apply to us.

So if a player were to make there decision purely on a football basis then there would be far more than a dozen teams above us in the pecking order - At this moment in time

 

[Pam]

I understand exactly what you mean, hence I brought up factors other than financial wealth (gates and stadium). I believe you're way wrong about this, mate but I'd be interested to know your reasons for thinking it. I can't imagine what you're basing it on.

My reasons are footballing ones not financial. Can you honestly say that if we went into Barry and said move to us for footballing reasons coz we are on the up, your salary will be the same though, that he would come? I doubt he would. So, ife

So what are you basing it on, John? I don't understand what criteria you are using, (all financial stuff set aside for a moment) how are you measuring and contrasting the size of the three clubs? And what specificly do you mean by footballing reasons.

 

[johnmc]

So what are you basing it on, John? I don't understand what criteria you are using, (all financial stuff set aside for a moment) how are you measuring and contrasting the size of the three clubs? And what on earth are footballing reasons?

European football and the chance of winning a trophy. Everton and Villa have been closer to winning or finishing in the top 4 than us over the last 5 years. No players care about the stadium that they are playing in really, and attendences don't really matter either.

Arguing who is the bigger club is pointless as how do you prove it.

 

[Pam]

So what are you basing it on, John? I don't understand what criteria you are using, (all financial stuff set aside for a moment) how are you measuring and contrasting the size of the three clubs? And what on earth are footballing reasons?

European football and the chance of winning a trophy. Everton and Villa have been closer to winning or finishing in the top 4 than us over the last 5 years. No players care about the stadium that they are playing in really, and attendences don't really matter either.

Arguing who is the bigger club is pointless as how do you prove it.

OK then, I decree City to be bigger than United because their 75,000 attendances and their large, modernised stadium mean nothing and we are bigger.

You are being a WUM aren't you?

 

[johnmc]

OK then, I decree City to be bigger than United because their 75,000 attendances and their large, modernised stadium mean nothing and we are bigger.

Being daft.

But your saying City are bigger than Everton and Villa because of their stadium and their attendences. What if an Everton fan pointed to their trophy list?? What if Villa moved to a 60k stadium and sold it out every week - does that then all off a sudden make them a bigger team??

The rags can point to trophies, crowds, support, perception in other countries, ability to attract star players/managers etc etc

 

[Pam]

OK then, I decree City to be bigger than United because their 75,000 attendances and their large, modernised stadium mean nothing and we are bigger.

Being daft.

But your saying City are bigger than Everton and Villa because of their stadium and their attendences. What if an Everton fan pointed to their trophy list?? What if Villa moved to a 60k stadium and sold it out every week - does that then all off a sudden make them a bigger team??

The rags can point to trophies, crowds, support, perception in other countries, ability to attract star players/managers etc etc

OMG, you think trophies won back in the middle ages by Everton/Villa teams make them bigger clubs? I don''t think so.

But I knew you were WUMing when you said average attendances don't matter, 'cos that one takes the cake.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

OK then, I decree City to be bigger than United because their 75,000 attendances and their large, modernised stadium mean nothing and we are bigger.

Being daft.

But your saying City are bigger than Everton and Villa because of their stadium and their attendences. What if an Everton fan pointed to their trophy list?? What if Villa moved to a 60k stadium and sold it out every week - does that then all off a sudden make them a bigger team??

The rags can point to trophies, crowds, support, perception in other countries, ability to attract star players/managers etc etc

OMG, you think trophies won back in the middle ages by Everton/Spurs meams they are a bigger club? I don''t think so. But I knew you were WUMing when you said average attendances don't matter.

This appears to have turned into a domestic and for that reason I'm out.

 

[super_city_si]

OK then, I decree City to be bigger than United because their 75,000 attendances and their large, modernised stadium mean nothing and we are bigger.

Being daft.

But your saying City are bigger than Everton and Villa because of their stadium and their attendences. What if an Everton fan pointed to their trophy list?? What if Villa moved to a 60k stadium and sold it out every week - does that then all off a sudden make them a bigger team??

The rags can point to trophies, crowds, support, perception in other countries, ability to attract star players/managers etc etc

OMG, you think trophies won back in the middle ages by Everton/Spurs meams they are a bigger club? I don''t think so. But I knew you were WUMing when you said average attendances don't matter.

You dont seem to get it do you?

We attract players at the moment because we have wads of cash and can pay handsomely. Everton and Villa have had better seasons than us and therefore from footballing terms would be a more attractive proposition. Dont forget we finished 10th.

 

[Pam]

OK then, I decree City to be bigger than United because their 75,000 attendances and their large, modernised stadium mean nothing and we are bigger.

Being daft.

But your saying City are bigger than Everton and Villa because of their stadium and their attendences. What if an Everton fan pointed to their trophy list?? What if Villa moved to a 60k stadium and sold it out every week - does that then all off a sudden make them a bigger team??

The rags can point to trophies, crowds, support, perception in other countries, ability to attract star players/managers etc etc

OMG, you think trophies won back in the middle ages by Everton/Spurs meams they are a bigger club? I don''t think so. But I knew you were WUMing when you said average attendances don't matter.

You dont seem to get it do you?

We attract players at the moment because we have wads of cash and can pay handsomely. Everton and Villa have had better seasons than us and therefore from footballing terms would be a more attractive proposition. Dont forget we finished 10th.

So taking that factor away, why are you saying City is the smallest of the three? What is your criteria, if it isn't finncial and it isn't ancient trophies from literall decades ago?

 

[johnmc]

OMG, you think trophies won back in the middle ages by Everton/Spurs meams they are a bigger club? I don''t think so. But I knew you were WUMing when you said average attendances don't matter.

I never said they were bigger clubs did i?? I said it is pointless arguing with similar sized clubs who is bigger as they have different attributes. But look, in my lifetime Everton and Spurs have won more than one trophy. City havent. In my lifetime city have been down to the third tier - Everton and Spurs have not been out of the top flight.

Clubs such as the Rags, Madrid, Barca, Juve etc are in another league and no one would argue otherwise.

Attendences do not matter one jot. Juventus struggle for numbers? Small club? Newcastle get more than Chelsea and Liverpool.

 

[Pam]

OMG, you think trophies won back in the middle ages by Everton/Spurs meams they are a bigger club? I don''t think so. But I knew you were WUMing when you said average attendances don't matter.

I never said they were bigger clubs did i?? I said it is pointless arguing with similar sized clubs who is bigger as they have different attributes. But look, in my lifetime Everton and Spurs have won more than one trophy. City havent. In my lifetime city have been down to the third tier - Everton and Spurs have not been out of the top flight.

Clubs such as the Rags, Madrid, Barca, Juve etc are in another league and no one would argue otherwise.

Attendences do not matter one jot. Juventus struggle for numbers? Small club? Newcastle get more than Chelsea and Liverpool.

Funny you should say that because Five Live spent a who programme on Italian football and Juventus were a case in point. They were all saying that Juventus have been in free fall for some time now.

Shall we agree to differ? Pointless argument anyway, given current circumstances.