Maicon

Pam said:
Funny you should say that because Five Live spent a who programme on Italian football and Juventus were a case in point. They were all saying that Juventus have been in free fall for some time now.

Shall we agree to differ?
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No

It will take a lot more than better attendences and a new stadium to be considered bigger than juventus - it would take 20 years of sustained sucess.
 
It matters not, mate. We are in a very happy position right in the here and now and that is the main thing.
 
Citizen of Ottawa said:
If we were to steal Maicon from under Chelseas nose they would hate us for all of time. Do I smell a good old fashioned rivalry starting up?
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I'm hoping they won't be able to live with us financially. I am also hoping that they know this and won't bother to try. They can hate us til the cows come home.
 
johnmc said:
Pam said:
So what are you basing it on, John? I don't understand what criteria you are using, (all financial stuff set aside for a moment) how are you measuring and contrasting the size of the three clubs? And what on earth are footballing reasons?
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European football and the chance of winning a trophy. Everton and Villa have been closer to winning or finishing in the top 4 than us over the last 5 years. No players care about the stadium that they are playing in really, and attendences don't really matter either.

Arguing who is the bigger club is pointless as how do you prove it.
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thats says it all to me.

yes they HAVE been close but they HAVE NOT got there in 5 years of trying.

we(manchester city) at the rate we are going will be there in a couple of years and so if i were to look at it that way then so may of barry without the pound signs in his eyes.
 
ninjamonkey said:
You lost when you mentioned Ramos. Easily the most overated defender around. He can't defend for toffee. He's got a fancy touch and is good getting forward (despite not really having any end product) Defensively he is severely lacking he just disguises it well because of his attacking ability.
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How can I have "lost" when I said that Ramos was better defensively than Maicon. Surely that shows exactly why Maicon is so over-rated. Ramos is better defensively than Maicon! Maicon is not a great player. Either that or he's never found his ideal position.
 
Regardless the point remains that we have 3 decent quality RBs in Richards, Zab and Onouha (who can easily cover there). Maicon would be a waste of money which could be spent where we need it. I know we have limitless money almost but we don't want to just buy chaff because we can. Even if it does upset Chelsea ;)
 
Fuzzmaster101 said:
How can I have "lost" when I said that Ramos was better defensively than Maicon. Surely that shows exactly why Maicon is so over-rated. Ramos is better defensively than Maicon! Maicon is not a great player. Either that or he's never found his ideal position.
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I beg to differ. Maicon is arguably the best right-back in the business. He ripped Italy apart the last time they played Brazil, and that from a DEFENSIVE position. Plus he's got pace to return to defensive should the opponents counter attack.
 
Fuzzmaster101 said:
Regardless the point remains that we have 3 decent quality RBs in Richards, Zab and Onouha (who can easily cover there). Maicon would be a waste of money which could be spent where we need it. I know we have limitless money almost but we don't want to just buy chaff because we can. Even if it does upset Chelsea ;)
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People on here say they want the club to bring in great players, but when we are linked with the best of the best they argue that our current squad is better, if that is true then why don't we win things yet?
I cannot understand it its not like we are selling to buy!
Rant over.
 
Maverick said:
Fuzzmaster101 said:
How can I have "lost" when I said that Ramos was better defensively than Maicon. Surely that shows exactly why Maicon is so over-rated. Ramos is better defensively than Maicon! Maicon is not a great player. Either that or he's never found his ideal position.
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I beg to differ. Maicon is arguably the best right-back in the business. He ripped Italy apart the last time they played Brazil, and that from a DEFENSIVE position. Plus he's got pace to return to defensive should the opponents counter attack.
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Hahaha he was average at best against Italy. Most of his passes were really poor and he looked all over the place in defence. And I don't rate Italy at all at the moment. Not even in the top 15 countries at the moment in my opinion.
 
I have only really noticed him during the Confed Cup, and his power and pace down the right has really stood out in this tournament, however his crossing has been very poor. Whether that's typical I don't know.

We need to strengthen our squad in key areas such as Centre-Forward (tevez) and Central Defence, and I'd like to see a left winger come in.

But we should also keep our eye on the mkt for any outstanding talent that becomes available that can transform us like Lucio or a John Terry. I'm not sure Maicon comes into this category because his crossing has been poor. From what I have seen of Brazil in this tournament, Robinho, Fabiano and Lucio have been their stand out players. Kaka has been good but does not look like he's on a different level to the other Brazilians
 
smith1855 said:
Fuzzmaster101 said:
Regardless the point remains that we have 3 decent quality RBs in Richards, Zab and Onouha (who can easily cover there). Maicon would be a waste of money which could be spent where we need it. I know we have limitless money almost but we don't want to just buy chaff because we can. Even if it does upset Chelsea ;)
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People on here say they want the club to bring in great players, but when we are linked with the best of the best they argue that our current squad is better, if that is true then why don't we win things yet?
I cannot understand it its not like we are selling to buy!
Rant over.
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We have a good set of players and need to strengthen elsewhere in the squad. Why would I advocate getting in a worse player than the ones we have? I want to strengthen but not bring in over-rated players where we have good players already. That's mindless. Maicon cannot surely be considered the best of the best. Really? Is that how bad Right backs are these days? He's an average winger at best, but his passing is poor.
 
supercity36 said:
so all you ramos fans dint see his ala david james cockup to give usa a goal
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Haha. That was classic, Spain were Rag-esque in that they almost expected to win simply because they turned up. It showed them that you cannot expect victories in football.
 
Fuzzmaster101 said:
smith1855 said:
Fuzzmaster101 said:
Regardless the point remains that we have 3 decent quality RBs in Richards, Zab and Onouha (who can easily cover there). Maicon would be a waste of money which could be spent where we need it. I know we have limitless money almost but we don't want to just buy chaff because we can. Even if it does upset Chelsea ;)
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People on here say they want the club to bring in great players, but when we are linked with the best of the best they argue that our current squad is better, if that is true then why don't we win things yet?
I cannot understand it its not like we are selling to buy!
Rant over.
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We have a good set of players and need to strengthen elsewhere in the squad. Why would I advocate getting in a worse player than the ones we have? I want to strengthen but not bring in over-rated players where we have good players already. That's mindless. Maicon cannot surely be considered the best of the best. Really? Is that how bad Right backs are these days? He's an average winger at best, but his passing is poor.
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Well that is fair enough but if we are in for him it's clear that Hughes rates him but thats besides the point. I did quote you but I did not intentionally aim this at you, but I have heard almost every player we're after being said to be 'no better than what we have' (Terry was one I think) , I just think people are overrating our own players too.
 
Fuzzmaster101 said:
smith1855 said:
Fuzzmaster101 said:
Regardless the point remains that we have 3 decent quality RBs in Richards, Zab and Onouha (who can easily cover there). Maicon would be a waste of money which could be spent where we need it. I know we have limitless money almost but we don't want to just buy chaff because we can. Even if it does upset Chelsea ;)
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People on here say they want the club to bring in great players, but when we are linked with the best of the best they argue that our current squad is better, if that is true then why don't we win things yet?
I cannot understand it its not like we are selling to buy!
Rant over.
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We have a good set of players and need to strengthen elsewhere in the squad. Why would I advocate getting in a worse player than the ones we have? I want to strengthen but not bring in over-rated players where we have good players already. That's mindless. Maicon cannot surely be considered the best of the best. Really? Is that how bad Right backs are these days? He's an average winger at best, but his passing is poor.
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Not true, mate. He is absolute quality going forward, and FB is a prime attacking position for any top side. He has the odd bad game, maybe; but there hasn't been a top player who hasn't. Sign him up!
 
smith1855 said:
Well that is fair enough but if we are in for him it's clear that Hughes rates him but thats besides the point. I did quote you but I did not intentionally aim this at you, but I have heard almost every player we're after being said to be 'no better than what we have' (Terry was one I think) , I just think people are overrating our own players too.
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That's ok, I don't think Hughes will be looking in that area personally as I think it's one where we're sorted. I don't rate Maicon but other signings we've been linked with I do rate RSC for example, Tevez deffinately, Eto'o absolutely, Lescott yes and even Crouch is better than what we had last year. I'm all for new people coming to join us in our weak positions i.e. CB and Striker plus I think Barry was a brilliant signing and will prove to be invaluable for us. People seem to forget that Richards was coming good at the end of the season and was close to his best form for the last 6-8 matches. I expect him to improve again next season and if he buckles down I think HE will be the best RB in the world in 2-3 years. ;)
 
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