Making a Murderer

[Bigga]

Who was constantly calling her on the phone?

The blood in the boot, says she was in the boot at some point. If she was raped and killed in Stevens house would he have put her back in the car?

After checking the bedroom numerous times, is it possible they constantly overlooked the keys?

Bullet was found in the garage but no traces of the victims blood on all that junk?

Why were other members of the family who lived in close proximity not properly investigated?

Steven Avery was waiting on millions of pounds in compensation, to commit murder whilst going through that process isn't likely to me.
For somebody to attempt to not pay Avery millions of state money is more likely to me.

I believe somebody on the Avery compound killed the woman just not Steven Avery....

They HAVE to find him guilty. That's why all the same people on the prosecution and the bench are the same throughout.

If he ever gets found to be 'innocent' the state litigation and civil litigations would bankrupt the state and everyone involved against Avery and his cousin, Dassey.

They're not getting out.

They can't.

 

[Deleted member 41424]

They HAVE to find him guilty. That's why all the same people on the prosecution and the bench are the same throughout.

If he ever gets found to be 'innocent' the state litigation and civil litigations would bankrupt the state and everyone involved against Avery and his cousin, Dassey.

They're not getting out.

They can't.

agreed and that's why its bullshit.
Its hard because I believe she was killed on the property and that means there will always be questions against Avery.
Dasseys' mothers' boyfriend and his brother are the ones I suspect.
They mention the numerous calls to her mobile, so why they couldn't just trace them back i'll never know. Shit I could have done that. They had the records right there.
Then theres the ex-boyfriend and her brother that knew her passwords and listened to her messages.
Something is way off and it all points somewhere other than Avery...

 

[Super Joey Hart]

What an amazing documentary had me completely gripped, just gutted about the outcome.

For no reason at all they decided to find him guilty of raping that woman and he lost 18 years of his life and simply because he was seeking the money for the loss of those 18 years (the money was a complete joke by the way it should have been multi millions of dollars) they decided to frame him because they now has a vendetta against him.

People always ask who has a motive towards the person they have murdered? Well in my opinion it's more a question of who has a motive against each other... Steve Avery against the police/sheriff department or the police/sheriff department against Steve Avery? Does that really need to be answered, the police hated him for making them look like fools. Whereas Steve just got on with the case for his money and went about his daily life to be honest he seemed very calm considering he lost 18 years of his life because someone didn't like him

For what it's worth something never sat right with me with her brother, the ex and the roommate. It's the way the ex was adamant that she and the roommate had never had sex and was just friends, He looks like a jealous ex who couldn't let go of her then found out they was sleeping together, he then followed her waiting for her to leave Averys then killing her brutally not far from Averys yard then fleeing, then the rest is history.

The police find the remains near Averys yard leaving them believing no matter what he did it, they then shutoff any access to the area then let the framing commence, fucking hell it was the biggest framing I've ever read about or watched, like he's going to leave her teeth and bones next to his house and prop a couple of twigs up over the car as if he thinks they won't find it, no DNA of hers anywhere near his trailor or garage etc the list just goes on and on of how things were tampered to frame him and at the end of the day one of the jurors said they was basically threatened to find him guilty as they feared for their own safety.

Great watch but absolutely scandalous goings on behind closed doors with the law enforcement.

For what it's worth I believe that Bobby Dassey and the step dad were just trying to firstly exlclude themselves and also making Steve Avery solely responsible so that Brendan would be released. As for all those involved in the framing I hope they get what's coming to them in the end, can't see it though.

 

[AntonDonJuan]

One of the best documentaries I've ever seen.
Rather than echo what everyone says already in the thread about the police being complete bent cunts, I will add that I don't believe he did it at all.
Nobody in their right mind would do 18 years in prison for something they didn't do, then go and kill a random (she pretty much was) woman a few months later knowing you would go back to prison. He might be dim as fuck, but nobody is that dim.
Complete stitch up from start to finish.
I reckon her brother and ex bf had something to do with it, pair of shifty cunts those 2

 

[mcfc1981]

what were the reason the prosecution believe he put her in the car??
was evidence not found she was burned at another site??

 

[TCIB]

They gave no real answer. I read up on this and they basically glossed over that part.
Why would a man butcher a woman, clean the house better than a forensic crew could do move the bloody corpse into the car outside, take it out and then put it on the fire.
It makes no sense at all, he may have changed his mind on the disposal but if he can clean a house that well why would he leave obvious blood from her and him in the car.

Yeah her brother was dodgy as fuck, you also see fresh scratches on his hands and the ex in the show. They may have been fighting the same cat possibly, you never know.

I will say Steven Avery was an undesirable in the sense he had a fair few whispers around of him messing with younger members of his family.
He had a gun when he ran his cousin off the road, no need when it is a woman, so he was no model citizen.
I feel the police went so far over the line here though, they abused their position in the worst way possible almost.
The ultimate you could argue is to simply kill him or is this worse ?

What gets me is that twat Kourcek, Lenk and the one with the bins will never even have to see a day of jail for their actions.
That Lenk looks like a real bastard, a mean **** who almost had a face of contempt when he was being deposed.

 

[TonyM]

One thing that hit me was how the ex had a smirk when asked by the defense about his whereabouts on the day of the disappearance and the fact that he wasn't questioned as a suspect by the police.

I'm not sure about the brother because a brother could be obsessed by vengeance and take the role as the family spokesperson. He was your typical straight laced middle-class American in my mind. But the ex to me looked like he knew he could get away with anything he wanted to get away with. I suspect it'll be when he is caught doing something similar that it'll lead to a new case.

 

[mcfc1981]

nephew 100% innocent
Avery 95% innocent... always a chance he could have done it thinking he was invincible from the previous miscarriage of justice

who did??

If it was the police Lenk would be the most obvious don't see Colburn having the balls.

the ex......possible but I don't see him being able to plant the evidence at Avery's

one of Avery family members...........member had a grudge against him/thought they could get their hand on his payout with him in jail

co worker- she was getting phone calls off someone......they said she was terrified of going to Avery's......they knew where she would be and knew it was a perfect opportunity

police look most likely to me as I don't see the others being able to plant evidence unless someone else killed her and the police planted the evidence

 

[SiMCFC]

I think her brother, ex boyfriend and the police are all guilty as sin!

 

[mcfc1981]

the only way I can see it being someone else other then the police killing her is if she was found shot dead near the Avery property and not found by a member of the public but by the police.......they burnt her elsewhere and proceeded to plant evidence.