Making a Murderer

Proy said:
Just finished it.

The whole thing is just littered with lies and back handing. Quite how he was convicted with what was on the table will puzzle me until the day I die, and I actually think he killed her. It will puzzle me because if ever I found myself in a scenario like that and I was innocent, I'd stand no chance.

Any rational human being could see that no evidence at all places her at his house, and what they were using was a plant.

For me I think they had him killing her somewhere else but couldn't prove it so framed him.

The whole system was fucked throughout and there are a lot guilty people who walked away from it all.
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No way did he do it in my opinion. Think the police could have done more to look at the ex boyfriend (all that voicemail stuff?) or Bobby Dassey and the other uncle/step dad (false alibis etc. seemed desperate to blame Steven and Brendan). Either way those police officers and in particular Kratz and Lent are pure fucking scum. To give all those false details to the public before a trial he was up shit creek without a paddle from the start. And Kratz saying it would have been easier to just kill him?!! Seriously how does that even cross someone's mind.
 
Never Mind The Pollocks said:
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No way did he do it in my opinion. Think the police could have done more to look at the ex boyfriend (all that voicemail stuff?) or Bobby Dassey and the other uncle/step dad (false alibis etc. seemed desperate to blame Steven and Brendan). Either way those police officers and in particular Kratz and Lent are pure fucking scum. To give all those false details to the public before a trial he was up shit creek without a paddle from the start. And Kratz saying it would have been easier to just kill him?!! Seriously how does that even cross someone's mind.
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While I don't think it's impossible that he and Brendan did do it, there's just too much skulduggery on the part of the police and prosecutor for me to think they were responsible. Not only that, it seems too much of a stretch that he can be completely exonerated of one serious crime (the rape), yet coincidentally be responsible for another even more serious crime. The whole saga is nothing short of astonishing - as you say, giving out a load of details prior to the trial as to what they think happened surely prejudices the trial. I find it ridiculous that they do this in the States and it's deemed acceptable - surely you save all that for the trial itself?

As for Brendan Dassey's confession, for me it isn't worth the paper it is written on - it was coerced out of him without his attorney even being present. This is basically a special needs child with a very low IQ and it was utterly disgusting how they manipulated him. Kratz said he must be guilty because he confessed.....errr no, 2 words you prick - Stefan Kiszko.

There were other people that were worthy suspects and why the hell was she only reported missing about 3 days after she was last seen?
 
I'm struggling to think he did it, however I suppose the sticking point would be, if he didn't do it, who did? And why would they want to frame him? Obviously answer if it was the local law enforcement but surely they wouldn't stoop so low as to to murder an innocent woman in the name of framing someone who had pissed them off??
 
Never Mind The Pollocks said:
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No way did he do it in my opinion. Think the police could have done more to look at the ex boyfriend (all that voicemail stuff?) or Bobby Dassey and the other uncle/step dad (false alibis etc. seemed desperate to blame Steven and Brendan). Either way those police officers and in particular Kratz and Lent are pure fucking scum. To give all those false details to the public before a trial he was up shit creek without a paddle from the start. And Kratz saying it would have been easier to just kill him?!! Seriously how does that even cross someone's mind.
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All the evidence (if you can call it that) was clearly fixed and should have, in essentially every part of the detail, exonerated him. Quite how the state even got it to court is just perplexing. I can only imagine that there were many threats and a lot of money involved in making it happen.

My opinion of him killing her is just a personal one. They're not the most regular family you would ever come across and certainly not whiter than white, and whilst that doesn't make him a murderer there is a part of me that believes he was either responsible or had some involvement somewhere/knew what happened.
 
I'm surprised how the police never thought to look at any of Teresa's family or social circle. They went for one suspect, Steven, which was mentioned when the truck was rang in by a searcher, straight from the off.

Her brother seemed a weird one. Cold, the poster face for her campaign for justice and oddly close to it all.
 
GaudinosWheels said:
I'm struggling to think he did it, however I suppose the sticking point would be, if he didn't do it, who did? And why would they want to frame him? Obviously answer if it was the local law enforcement but surely they wouldn't stoop so low as to to murder an innocent woman in the name of framing someone who had pissed them off??
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This world nothing surprises you.
It could have been the brother in law he looked shifty and was to quick to throw the boot in. Him or the other son didn't only seem each other.

But I still think it's the cops the two one with balding head and the one with black hair both with glasses.

Ken Kratz is one sly fecker as well. Don't think he was involved in the murder but knows stuff.
 
BlueTG said:
I'm surprised how the police never thought to look at any of Teresa's family or social circle. They went for one suspect, Steven, which was mentioned when the truck was rang in by a searcher, straight from the off.

Her brother seemed a weird one. Cold, the poster face for her campaign for justice and oddly close to it all.
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Forgot to mention her brother. Don't get me wrong, it could be that he just wanted someone to go down for his sister's murder and that is perfectly understandable but he came across as someone that had this pre-conceived idea that Avery and Dassey were definitely guilty from the off, forever praising the prosecution and whatnot.

Is it just me but how come pretty much everyone associated with the prosecution case come across as either a right shifty twat or totally incompetent yet Avery's defence team behaved in a far more dignified and professional manner?
 
M18CTID said:
Forgot to mention her brother. Don't get me wrong, it could be that he just wanted someone to go down for his sister's murder and that is perfectly understandable but he came across as someone that had this pre-conceived idea that Avery and Dassey were definitely guilty from the off, forever praising the prosecution and whatnot.

Is it just me but how come pretty much everyone associated with the prosecution case come across as either a right shifty twat or totally incompetent yet Avery's defence team behaved in a far more dignified and professional manner?
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Quite simply because most of them were bent coppers
 
GaudinosWheels said:
I'm struggling to think he did it, however I suppose the sticking point would be, if he didn't do it, who did? And why would they want to frame him? Obviously answer if it was the local law enforcement but surely they wouldn't stoop so low as to to murder an innocent woman in the name of framing someone who had pissed them off??
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It doesn't matter who did it. The prosecution's job was to prove beyond reasonable doubt that HE did it and they got nowhere near close to doing so.

Perhaps the strangest thing about this case is that two people are now doing time for the same murder when the prosecution presented two different versions of what they think happened.

They knew Brendan's testimony was too unreliable to use in Avery's case but they still used it to stitch him up in his own trial anyway. It blows my mind that they got away with it.
 
M18CTID said:
Is it just me but how come pretty much everyone associated with the prosecution case come across as either a right shifty twat or totally incompetent yet Avery's defence team behaved in a far more dignified and professional manner?
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Because Avery's defence team cost $400,000 and came from the real world while the prosecution was made up of a bunch of small-town hicks with messiah complexes.
 
Just finished it WTF !

The first and second sheriff's = cunts, Judy Dvorak = ****, Judge = ****, Ginger lawyer in cahoots with prosecution = proper ****.
The two cops major cunts and a few who helped, Krantz = filthy unethical bastard (disregarding why he quit).

My current view is both did fuck all, the brother (of the sister) is a dodgy ****, the cousin who said he had it coming was a dodgy **** (Scott Tadych) and his son.
I really think Steven and Brandon are innocent as it stands.
The two cops planted shit, almost certain about that.
Not 100% he is innocent but 90%, so a slight question mark but pretty small.

The brother and ex had fresh scratches and such on their hands and when asked who found the car, did you see the way the looked at each other, something deeply wrong there i think.

More focus should have been put on the quarry across the main road from their scrap yard. I think she was done there (by who i can't really say) and moved over.
It would be easy to watch him and his routine. Shoot her in the quarry, roughly wrap her (some hair sticking out the top) and burn her in the pit.
Someone exploited this whole situation or were directly involved.

So much to talk about in this so far, really good documentary i should add.

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On a lighter note OPENSHAW BLUE is getting married at St Annes RC Ashton Old Road Higher Openshaw very very soon.
 
Central Park 5
West of Memphis

Are another two docs that people might like..

Any others like this please post.. So I can take a look
 
Congrats openshaw blue, brave man :-D

Was i the only person who almost crumbled when Brandon asked his mother what "inconsistent" means and even his mum was not smart enough to know and tell him.

I can tell outside of this the family most likely are bad eggs, causing fights in bars etc. I can even understand their desire to have them all gone.
I find it so sinister though the way these small town police abused the system to make sure this conviction happened.
Malicious tyranny protected and backed up by the very system created to be fair to all. I can't stand it.
 
TCIB said:
Congrats openshaw blue, brave man :-D

Was i the only person who almost crumbled when Brandon asked his mother what "inconsistent" means and even his mum was not smart enough to know and tell him.

I can tell outside of this the family most likely are bad eggs, causing fights in bars etc. I can even understand their desire to have them all gone.
I find it so sinister though the way these small town police abused the system to make sure this conviction happened.
Malicious tyranny protected and backed up by the very system created to be fair to all. I can't stand it.
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Haha I know we shouldn't laugh but jesus that lad is dim, you could tell him anything and after enough times he would repeat it.

I am on episode 9 doing episode ten tonight, and like most I am 99% sure he didn't do it, the only thing that stops me going the full 100% is the leg irons thing, so Brandon drew the picture which showed a stick figure tied to a bed using leg irons, Steven Avery admitted to buying leg irons weeks before to use with his then girlfriend Jodi, it is probably a coincidence but something about that makes me wonder.
Other than that though I think its clear to any raitonal human something very very dodgey happened with that police force and steven avery maybe it was jealousy on the police part I don't know, but Christ talk about miscarriges of justice
 
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