Manchester City close on Pellegrini (merged)

[Santiago Street]

The same as you don't know what Xavi or Iniesta contributed as you didn't go to any Barca games. A sensible assumption would be that men who played that many games made a telling contribution or what the hell were they doing on the pitch.

Keep digging that hole man

I had some Spanish friends though , when i was studying ACCA and they tended to agree with me.
Anyway , keep digging the Wikipedia.

"I had some Spanish friends" lol

The owner of my local Italian restaurant was once a season ticket holder at Juve ergo I am now an expert on all Serie A matters

Comedy gold

 

[blueyorkie]

Short historical note for perspective.

MCFC since 1894
Champions 3 times
FA Cup 5 times
League Cup 2 times
ECWC 1 time

MCFC under Mancini
Premier league champions 1 time
FA Cup 1 time (hopefully 2 this week)

Currently 18% of our trophies won by Mancini, if successful this weekend that would rise to 25%.

Mancini has had almost 3 full seasons in charge in which time there will have been 9 domestic trophies available. If we win the Cup he will have won 1/3 of them.

Just the facts, just the facts.

 

[dancity19]

Short historical note for perspective.

MCFC since 1894
Champions 3 times
FA Cup 5 times
League Cup 2 times
ECWC 1 time

MCFC under Mancini
Premier league champions 1 time
FA Cup 1 time (hopefully 2 this week)

Currently 18% of our trophies won by Mancini, if successful this weekend that would rise to 25%.

Mancini has had almost 3 full seasons in charge in which time there will have been 9 domestic trophies available. If we win the Cup he will have won 1/3 of them.

Just the facts, just the facts.

Yeah, in 1999 in division 2 we had the same chances of winning a cup as we did last season after hundreds of millions of investment......

Mancini has done well, and has brought us trophies I never believed I would see us lift, but that post provides no perspective really.

 

[Phil1]

Good post but the Madrid tenure was successful. He was their for a single season and finished with 96points, how the fuck is that a failure? I mean on what scaled is that seen as failing?

Players signed were done so above him, it divided the dressing room and Pellegrini brought them together and they did brilliantly in the league.

What a crock of shite that Madrid bit is. No way can anyone justify that.

Nip, you're the one 'outer' I actually like becuase you contribute to the forum as a whole rather than hiding in Mancini hating threads that suit the delusionist's agenda.

But Pellegrini, has nothing, absolutely nothing on his CV. There is no comparison between he and Mancini. He had one season at Madrid. And came second. The Madrid press couldn't even be arsed slating him. They just took the piss. Why did he accept the Malaga job?

Because that was all that was on offer.

He is Spanish football's equivalent Harry Redknapp or Mark Hughes (QPR aside), he gets the best out of average players at average clubs, when he's been given the bigger role, he doesn't deliver what's required from those clubs.

Yet Mancini delivers year after year and you would sooner have Pellegrini in charge at the start of next season? It is beyond the realms of rational, bud.

I said Pellegrini is not an upgrade, I said he's a punt and I said he may fit our system better with his style of play preference (more attacking than mancini).

I want Jose, Pep, Klopp, Carlo, Del Bosque and even Frank De Boer before Pellegrini for some context.

I was point out 96 points was an amazing achievement that's all.

Also please don't belittle the Malaga job. I spend a fair amount of time in south Spain and trust me, the ambition was grand. The owner planned to buy a sea front and develop. He wanted to turn Malaga into a powerhouse. TV companies pay Barca and Real more money and didn't want to equal it out like they do here and he got his plans rejected for the property investment and he basically pulled the plug on the whole lot to what I know.

Malaga was a Spanish PSG and City project. It was a huge project. Trust me. It was a good number for whoever got it.

If in doubt please research yourself mate.

-- Thu May 09, 2013 2:43 pm --

Good post but the Madrid tenure was successful. He was their for a single season and finished with 96points, how the fuck is that a failure? I mean on what scaled is that seen as failing?

Players signed were done so above him, it divided the dressing room and Pellegrini brought them together and they did brilliantly in the league.

What a crock of shite that Madrid bit is. No way can anyone justify that.

-- Thu May 09, 2013 2:09 pm --



Blame Aguerooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

The axe would have fell if not for him and also the expectation would be less.

Wait what now? Blame Aguero for the single greatest moment of my life (bar son being born) because some fans have turned into what we've always hated? No thanks, I'll carry on reliving that day for the rest of my life and supporting the team and manager that made it possible.
As for Pellegrini being a success at Madrid, he wasn't - you can look at it at any way you want and give some credit for a great points total, but the end result was a bare trophy cupboard after a substantial investment which if you hadn't noticed is less than what Mancini is being labelled a failure by some on here.
It would be a ludicrous decision to bring Pellegrini into our club at the expense of Mancini. It makes no sense whatsoever unless Mancini walks, then I could understand him being considered, but for us to make the decision, nah, not for me mate.

I was taking the piss, el senor.

96 points, qualified out of CL group stages. Hardly a crock of shit face palm tenure was it?

Phew - was getting worried for a second there Nip! Like I said regarding Pellegrini, he's definitely not a face palm manager, and if Mancini was to leave on his own accordance I could see why he would be in the running. My gripe with this particular story is us considering sacking Mancini to bring him in - that for me would be a wrong choice and I'd consider writing a very strongly worded email to somebody somewhere who probably couldn't give a fuck..

 

[sam663]

"I had some Spanish friends"lol

The owner of my local Italian restaurant was once a season ticket holder at Juve ergo I am now an expert on all Serie A matters

Comedy gold

That ultimately means , your opinion is irrelevant , wake me up when you have some facts.

First it was Marwood , now it's Txiki. Who will be next? Sheikh Mansour?

 

[FantasyIreland]

Short historical note for perspective.

MCFC since 1894
Champions 3 times
FA Cup 5 times
League Cup 2 times
ECWC 1 time

MCFC under Mancini
Premier league champions 1 time
FA Cup 1 time (hopefully 2 this week)

Currently 18% of our trophies won by Mancini, if successful this weekend that would rise to 25%.

Mancini has had almost 3 full seasons in charge in which time there will have been 9 domestic trophies available. If we win the Cup he will have won 1/3 of them.

Just the facts, just the facts.

Cant argue, they are facts, ludicrously applied but facts none the less.

Forza.........

 

[jauganaut]

I am neither a firm inner nor an outer.
However, I think Mancini is being sold short on this forum.
Yes he's won trophies but he has done so much more.
He has completely changed the mentality of a mid to low table club.
You can call him whatever but he was born to win, he loves to win.
He's gotten rid of players that don't have the desire to win continually win and would prefer to destabilize the team when called out.
His short falls are clear to see, he is a master theoretician, a brilliant man but he is very rigid and stubborn, implementation of tactics isn't great and he isn't a man manager but some of these can be resolved with an assistant that will complement him.
Ofcourse replacing him is the next option and Pellegrini isn't a bad one, infact he is a good manager and I think he can handle the pressure of winning.
Can he do better than Mancini? That's the real question.

 

[BobKowalski]

There's a difference between a manager coming in and having 200m spent rather than a manager who's here for 3 years and then spends 200m.

He had a single season there, the players were bought anyway regardless of who's manager. Two seasons he should've been afforded but fair dues to Madrid they went for the better manager. Pellegrini had a squad and new players, he had little time to implement changes yet still got out of CL group and still finished league on 96 points. Bob you can be critical, no problems but Jesus read that again, 96 points!

He 'failed' yet had one season there and ANY OTHER SEASON PRIOR would've won the league.

UI get you not wanting him over Mancini, no problems, but come off it. Pellegrini did a good job in the league, a great job in fact.

Ah so we are ignoring the other competitions and judging him solely on the league now?

Somehow I don't think we will be applying that rule for Mancini.

Just a hunch.

Qualified the groups as well as league. You know I wrote that yet you seem to have purposely missed this.

I did? You mean where I mentioned Madrid were knocked out by Lyon in the last round of 16? That's meant to impress me? Hell Mancini got to the QF with Inter and I ain't impressed by that either.

Second is second. There is no way I would argue that we have had a great season this year. Win the FA Cup and its been a good season but not a great one. Pellegrini getting second and winning fuck all with Madrid does not equate to him doing a 'great job' with Madrid either.

Pellegrini has done an excellent job with Malaga this season and no one is disputing that but we ain't Malaga and the expectations and pressures are not comparable. AVB crashed and burned at Chelsea because he couldn't handle it. Spurs he is doing a lot better because the expectations are less. Everyone has a level and at 60 years of age you know what your level is and your CV will reflect it.

And that is the concern.

 

[dancity19]

Nip, you're the one 'outer' I actually like becuase you contribute to the forum as a whole rather than hiding in Mancini hating threads that suit the delusionist's agenda.

But Pellegrini, has nothing, absolutely nothing on his CV. There is no comparison between he and Mancini. He had one season at Madrid. And came second. The Madrid press couldn't even be arsed slating him. They just took the piss. Why did he accept the Malaga job?

Because that was all that was on offer.

He is Spanish football's equivalent Harry Redknapp or Mark Hughes (QPR aside), he gets the best out of average players at average clubs, when he's been given the bigger role, he doesn't deliver what's required from those clubs.

Yet Mancini delivers year after year and you would sooner have Pellegrini in charge at the start of next season? It is beyond the realms of rational, bud.

I said Pellegrini is not an upgrade, I said he's a punt and I said he may fit our system better with his style of play preference (more attacking than mancini).

I want Jose, Pep, Klopp, Carlo, Del Bosque and even Frank De Boer before Pellegrini for some context.

I was point out 96 points was an amazing achievement that's all.

Also please don't belittle the Malaga job. I spend a fair amount of time in south Spain and trust me, the ambition was grand. The owner planned to buy a sea front and develop. He wanted to turn Malaga into a powerhouse. TV companies pay Barca and Real more money and didn't want to equal it out like they do here and he got his plans rejected for the property investment and he basically pulled the plug on the whole lot to what I know.

Malaga was a Spanish PSG and City project. It was a huge project. Trust me. It was a good number for whoever got it.

If in doubt please research yourself mate.

-- Thu May 09, 2013 2:43 pm --

Wait what now? Blame Aguero for the single greatest moment of my life (bar son being born) because some fans have turned into what we've always hated? No thanks, I'll carry on reliving that day for the rest of my life and supporting the team and manager that made it possible.
As for Pellegrini being a success at Madrid, he wasn't - you can look at it at any way you want and give some credit for a great points total, but the end result was a bare trophy cupboard after a substantial investment which if you hadn't noticed is less than what Mancini is being labelled a failure by some on here.
It would be a ludicrous decision to bring Pellegrini into our club at the expense of Mancini. It makes no sense whatsoever unless Mancini walks, then I could understand him being considered, but for us to make the decision, nah, not for me mate.

I was taking the piss, el senor.

96 points, qualified out of CL group stages. Hardly a crock of shit face palm tenure was it?

Phew - was getting worried for a second there Nip! Like I said regarding Pellegrini, he's definitely not a face palm manager, and if Mancini was to leave on his own accordance I could see why he would be in the running. My gripe with this particular story is us considering sacking Mancini to bring him in - that for me would be a wrong choice and I'd consider writing a very strongly worded email to somebody somewhere who probably couldn't give a fuck..

As has been said numerous times, I don't think Pellegrini was/will be anyones first choice, if we are to make a change.

I've always been of the opinion that we don't need to change for changes sake, just as we don't keep Mancini for the sake of stability. If there isn't an absolute better option available, then there is no rush to see Mancini out- he hasn't exactly done a bad job, though I think he does have some serious shortcomings, that have been discussed at length by numerous people on here.

When it's a Mourinho/Klopp/Ancelotti then I think you make the change.

As so many have said, Pellegrini is a gamble. Great points haul at Real, and clearly showed something to even be considered for that job (would Mancini be in the running for a vacant Real job???), but it is a gamble, and Mancini's CV, both now, and at the point of appointment, makes for better reading than Pellegrinis. (counter that with a CV that shows Serie A titles when your rivals aren't in the league VS a record points haul at Real, but narrowly missing out to the best club side ever...)

As has been said above though- would we really sack Mancini, for a relative gamble. If there is a change, it would suggest that rumours about him walking could be true, or it is very much about the working relationship between Txiki and a manager, and that managers ability to relinquish the necessary power to Txiki.

 

[HamannCheese]

Now I recall why I haven't visited this forum in some time.

Mancini out? You must be having a giraffe.

Facts are facts. A possible fourth trophy in three years is success to me.

Some people need a slap.