Manchester City close on Pellegrini (merged)

[Cooper from Interstellar]

Only 3 or 4 weeks and we'll know who will manage Man. City next season... Can't wait!

 

[NipHolmes]

Yep and its a gamble. The one thing Moyes brings is that he will do it the 'right' way. He won't woman about 'interference' from above. He won't woman if money is a bit tight. He won't try and control the decision making and he won't challenge anyone internally. The board and Taggart have made the decision and its someone who won't make waves like a Jose or a Rafa or even a Roberto to name but three.

I have never rated Moyes for the one thing that has been a constant throughout his Everton career and that is his ability to bottle it when it matters. The man has got through to one FA Cup final in eleven years and whilst I don't expect him to win the PL one solitary losing FA Cup final appearance is pants. Moyes when it matters goes missing.

Mancini for all his faults has a habit of delivering when it matters which is why in every full season save one and irrespective of whether he has money or not he delivers a trophy. The one season he didn't he got a CL place for a cash strapped Lazio.

Pellegrini with his empty CV and the Spanish media taking the piss during his Madrid tenure when money was spent lavishly is not someone I would want in the trenches when it starts getting shitty. At least the Spanish media had the decency to hate Jose. Hate means you matter. Taking the piss means you simply don't count.

If Mancini is to go and its not going to be a Jose or a Rafa or a Carlo replacing him but a Pellegrini then the reasoning that has driven Moyes potential appointment may be the overriding factor with this potential appointment.

So yes. Its a concern. And no getting 'brave' Malaga to do well against the odds doesn't cut much ice. We are not Malaga. No one gasps in admiration and pats us on the back when we win. City are expected to win. City are expected to win in style. Mancini gets grief if the team falls below an expected standard. If Malaga don't perform people make excuses. City like Chelsea or Madrid do not have the luxury of excuses. A few managers can handle that. Most can't.

Good post but the Madrid tenure was successful. He was their for a single season and finished with 96points, how the fuck is that a failure? I mean on what scaled is that seen as failing?

Players signed were done so above him, it divided the dressing room and Pellegrini brought them together and they did brilliantly in the league.

What a crock of shite that Madrid bit is. No way can anyone justify that.

Nip, you're the one 'outer' I actually like becuase you contribute to the forum as a whole rather than hiding in Mancini hating threads that suit the delusionist's agenda.

But Pellegrini, has nothing, absolutely nothing on his CV. There is no comparison between he and Mancini. He had one season at Madrid. And came second. The Madrid press couldn't even be arsed slating him. They just took the piss. Why did he accept the Malaga job?

Because that was all that was on offer.

He is Spanish football's equivalent Harry Redknapp or Mark Hughes (QPR aside), he gets the best out of average players at average clubs, when he's been given the bigger role, he doesn't deliver what's required from those clubs.

Yet Mancini delivers year after year and you would sooner have Pellegrini in charge at the start of next season? It is beyond the realms of rational, bud.

I said Pellegrini is not an upgrade, I said he's a punt and I said he may fit our system better with his style of play preference (more attacking than mancini).

I want Jose, Pep, Klopp, Carlo, Del Bosque and even Frank De Boer before Pellegrini for some context.

I was point out 96 points was an amazing achievement that's all.

Also please don't belittle the Malaga job. I spend a fair amount of time in south Spain and trust me, the ambition was grand. The owner planned to buy a sea front and develop. He wanted to turn Malaga into a powerhouse. TV companies pay Barca and Real more money and didn't want to equal it out like they do here and he got his plans rejected for the property investment and he basically pulled the plug on the whole lot to what I know.

Malaga was a Spanish PSG and City project. It was a huge project. Trust me. It was a good number for whoever got it.

If in doubt please research yourself mate.<br /><br />-- Thu May 09, 2013 2:43 pm --<br /><br />

Yep and its a gamble. The one thing Moyes brings is that he will do it the 'right' way. He won't woman about 'interference' from above. He won't woman if money is a bit tight. He won't try and control the decision making and he won't challenge anyone internally. The board and Taggart have made the decision and its someone who won't make waves like a Jose or a Rafa or even a Roberto to name but three.

I have never rated Moyes for the one thing that has been a constant throughout his Everton career and that is his ability to bottle it when it matters. The man has got through to one FA Cup final in eleven years and whilst I don't expect him to win the PL one solitary losing FA Cup final appearance is pants. Moyes when it matters goes missing.

Mancini for all his faults has a habit of delivering when it matters which is why in every full season save one and irrespective of whether he has money or not he delivers a trophy. The one season he didn't he got a CL place for a cash strapped Lazio.

Pellegrini with his empty CV and the Spanish media taking the piss during his Madrid tenure when money was spent lavishly is not someone I would want in the trenches when it starts getting shitty. At least the Spanish media had the decency to hate Jose. Hate means you matter. Taking the piss means you simply don't count.

If Mancini is to go and its not going to be a Jose or a Rafa or a Carlo replacing him but a Pellegrini then the reasoning that has driven Moyes potential appointment may be the overriding factor with this potential appointment.

So yes. Its a concern. And no getting 'brave' Malaga to do well against the odds doesn't cut much ice. We are not Malaga. No one gasps in admiration and pats us on the back when we win. City are expected to win. City are expected to win in style. Mancini gets grief if the team falls below an expected standard. If Malaga don't perform people make excuses. City like Chelsea or Madrid do not have the luxury of excuses. A few managers can handle that. Most can't.

Good post but the Madrid tenure was successful. He was their for a single season and finished with 96points, how the fuck is that a failure? I mean on what scaled is that seen as failing?

Players signed were done so above him, it divided the dressing room and Pellegrini brought them together and they did brilliantly in the league.

What a crock of shite that Madrid bit is. No way can anyone justify that.

-- Thu May 09, 2013 2:09 pm --

City fans are fast becoming the self-flagellation specialists of the footballing world.

I liked it far more when we were self-deprecating.

Blame Aguerooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

The axe would have fell if not for him and also the expectation would be less.

Wait what now? Blame Aguero for the single greatest moment of my life (bar son being born) because some fans have turned into what we've always hated? No thanks, I'll carry on reliving that day for the rest of my life and supporting the team and manager that made it possible.
As for Pellegrini being a success at Madrid, he wasn't - you can look at it at any way you want and give some credit for a great points total, but the end result was a bare trophy cupboard after a substantial investment which if you hadn't noticed is less than what Mancini is being labelled a failure by some on here.
It would be a ludicrous decision to bring Pellegrini into our club at the expense of Mancini. It makes no sense whatsoever unless Mancini walks, then I could understand him being considered, but for us to make the decision, nah, not for me mate.

I was taking the piss, el senor.

96 points, qualified out of CL group stages. Hardly a crock of shit face palm tenure was it?

 

[Cooper from Interstellar]

I'm still utterly baffled by this thread

This man's done nothing. Villareal won nothing. Malaga have won nothing.

At Madrid he did nothing despite spending £28 billion on kaka, benzema etc

And he was the fucking manager when Madrid went crashing out of the cup, taking a big wedge of my money with em, beaten 4-0 by some mug lower league team.

I like stability and continuity so I want Bob to stay but I can understand the arguments in favour of Mourinho or Ancelotti or Klopp or Capello or other SUCCESSFUL managers

Whether you like him or not, the fact is that Bobby wins things - everywhere he's been.

So why swap a proven man with a track record of success for an ageing also ran who doesn't speak fluent English.

I'm very worried about the influence of our Spaniards. I've said it before and I'll say it again - the success of Barca is 80% Messi and 20% the emergence of the Xavi, Iniesta group a decade ago. Txiki and Soriano got lucky, I'm sure they're very capable men but if they have chosen this guy as Bob's successor it smacks of a jobs for the boys situation.

Pellegrini didn't sign any of those players. At Madrid only Perez will decide. However even Malaga-based journalists are talking about discussions between City/Malaga/Pellegrini so it's clear there's some inerest.

 

[Santiago Street]

I'm always suspicious of City fans who PRETEND to know loads about foreign football like yourself, it's a noticable trait of the johnny come lately fan.

04-05, Iniesta played in 37 league games and Xavi (vice captain that year) played in 36

Now what reality were you talking about ?

Playing and contributing are two different things , How many games Welbeck has played this season ? 26 , does that mean he contributed more than Ronney ? Nope .

That's why i used the word " Moulded " . If you Seriously think a 21 year old Iniesta and " unfulfilled potential " ;Xavi , played major part in their successes in 2004–05 and in 2005–06 , despite the presence of " Legend Giuly " and Deco then i reserve the right to ask ; What grass do you smoke?

I don't know what Welbeck's contributed as I don't go to any rag games.

The same as you don't know what Xavi or Iniesta contributed as you didn't go to any Barca games. A sensible assumption would be that men who played that many games made a telling contribution or what the hell were they doing on the pitch.

Keep digging that hole man

 

[NipHolmes]

That's slightly more than 0% though, that's where you made a rod for your back.

I may have had understated , but it was no way near the contribution that Txiki's signings made.

Preaching to the choir.

I am a big Txiki fan. I also rate Pep a lot more than the naysayers who claim anyone could've managed Barca. You can see now that's not the case. He royally fucked up not buying CB's though. Rather than Fabregas they should've signed Silva from Milan.

 

[BobKowalski]

Good post but the Madrid tenure was successful. He was their for a single season and finished with 96points, how the fuck is that a failure? I mean on what scaled is that seen as failing?

Players signed were done so above him, it divided the dressing room and Pellegrini brought them together and they did brilliantly in the league.

What a crock of shite that Madrid bit is. No way can anyone justify that.

At Madrid players are always invariably signed (or sold) above the manager. Its the way it is and you know that before you take the job.

Madrid spent nearly £200m that summer on 4 players including Ronaldo and Kaka. They were knocked out to some lower league outfit in the Copa Del Rey and the round of 16 in the CL by Lyon. The Spanish media took the piss for these failures which undermined Pellegrini's authority within the club leading to stories about how the players routinely ignored him. This and the Barca domination lead to Real turning to Jose as it was felt the players would 'respect' him and end Barca's domination. It worked for a time but its all unravelled this season.

But to recap. Spent a fortune. A squad of top players. Finished second to Barca and did poorly (by Madrid standards) in the CL and knocked out by some lower league mob in the cup.

Now imagine we spend £200m in the summer. Finish second in the league. Get knocked out in the FA cup by Southend Utd and get knocked out in the CL before the QF stage by a French team that is not one of the recognised European powerhouses. Mancini is the manager. Rate his performance.

There's a difference between a manager coming in and having 200m spent rather than a manager who's here for 3 years and then spends 200m.

He had a single season there, the players were bought anyway regardless of who's manager. Two seasons he should've been afforded but fair dues to Madrid they went for the better manager. Pellegrini had a squad and new players, he had little time to implement changes yet still got out of CL group and still finished league on 96 points. Bob you can be critical, no problems but Jesus read that again, 96 points!

He 'failed' yet had one season there and ANY OTHER SEASON PRIOR would've won the league.

UI get you not wanting him over Mancini, no problems, but come off it. Pellegrini did a good job in the league, a great job in fact.

Ah so we are ignoring the other competitions and judging him solely on the league now?

Somehow I don't think we will be applying that rule for Mancini.

Just a hunch.

 

[sam663]

The same as you don't know what Xavi or Iniesta contributed as you didn't go to any Barca games. A sensible assumption would be that men who played that many games made a telling contribution or what the hell were they doing on the pitch.

Keep digging that hole man

I had some Spanish friends though , when i was studying ACCA and they tended to agree with me.
Anyway , keep digging the Wikipedia.

 

[HamannCheese]

I haven't been on here in agggeeeesss.

I just need a reality check though. Are we actually discussing getting a new manager after an FA cup in 2011, Premier League in 2012 and a possible second FA cup this year?

 

[BobKowalski]

The same as you don't know what Xavi or Iniesta contributed as you didn't go to any Barca games. A sensible assumption would be that men who played that many games made a telling contribution or what the hell were they doing on the pitch.

Keep digging that hole man

I had some Spanish friends though , when i was studying ACCA and they tended to agree with me.
Anyway , keep digging the Wikipedia.

Well at the moment you are 2-0 down to wiki and I don't see bringing on some 'Spanish friends' helping much unless one of them is called Pep in which case you may bag an extra time winner...

 

[NipHolmes]

At Madrid players are always invariably signed (or sold) above the manager. Its the way it is and you know that before you take the job.

Madrid spent nearly £200m that summer on 4 players including Ronaldo and Kaka. They were knocked out to some lower league outfit in the Copa Del Rey and the round of 16 in the CL by Lyon. The Spanish media took the piss for these failures which undermined Pellegrini's authority within the club leading to stories about how the players routinely ignored him. This and the Barca domination lead to Real turning to Jose as it was felt the players would 'respect' him and end Barca's domination. It worked for a time but its all unravelled this season.

But to recap. Spent a fortune. A squad of top players. Finished second to Barca and did poorly (by Madrid standards) in the CL and knocked out by some lower league mob in the cup.

Now imagine we spend £200m in the summer. Finish second in the league. Get knocked out in the FA cup by Southend Utd and get knocked out in the CL before the QF stage by a French team that is not one of the recognised European powerhouses. Mancini is the manager. Rate his performance.

There's a difference between a manager coming in and having 200m spent rather than a manager who's here for 3 years and then spends 200m.

He had a single season there, the players were bought anyway regardless of who's manager. Two seasons he should've been afforded but fair dues to Madrid they went for the better manager. Pellegrini had a squad and new players, he had little time to implement changes yet still got out of CL group and still finished league on 96 points. Bob you can be critical, no problems but Jesus read that again, 96 points!

He 'failed' yet had one season there and ANY OTHER SEASON PRIOR would've won the league.

UI get you not wanting him over Mancini, no problems, but come off it. Pellegrini did a good job in the league, a great job in fact.

Ah so we are ignoring the other competitions and judging him solely on the league now?

Somehow I don't think we will be applying that rule for Mancini.

Just a hunch.

Qualified the groups as well as league. You know I wrote that yet you seem to have purposely missed this.