Manchester Low Emission Zone

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I kinda assumed this was just going to be in the center of town rather than the whole of greater manchester. saw a sign for it at the boarder between Irlam and Warrington.

 

[Bluesince1979]

See it's been referred back to the government for review.

I was out and about today and saw they had the signs up as you enter poynton. I always thought it fell under East Cheshire there but must be wrong. Just shows how big this low emission sone is, must be something like 40 sq miles?

I'm all for reducing emissions but seems ridiculous that on one hand they want to take money off people for this, when on the other they've been handling out money during the pandemic to keep the economy going.

Whilst there continues to be no reasonable alternative for those affected, it's grossly unfair. I know that the climate can't wait, but the damage that could be done here to people's livelihoods and mental health, the potential to cause huge shortages of services as people just walk away, has evidently been massively under thought an it just comes across as another money grab scheme.

Would love Manchester to be Britain's green transport capital, electric busses, less fumes, dedicated pedestrian and cycle lanes. But that would take money and commitment being diverted from the South. You can't underfund the north and then expect us to take another hit. If there was a definite scheme, a target to hit, then probably it would be bought into. Clean, prompt busses going from one place to another, reduced congestion, hell even bloody Spotify or audible freebies as incentives for using public transport - take a ride and listen to a book or album free for a week... But there isn't, it's give us your money to use your vehicles, or risk your time, health and even livelihoods with our shite transport network.

Until then, this should be shelved.

Its not as u enter poynton but as u leave. 5 ways and woodford just over where the new bridge is going.
poynton is cheshire east

 

[Bluesince1979]

Im only repeating this so ill stand corrected if its not right but …

i believe milan have really cut pollution by having alternate days when you can drive into the centre, odds and even number plate endings. So if u drive an odd on an even day you get a fine. Its totally encouraged car sharing.
also only certain days when non perishable goods can be delivered.

so if it wasnt a tax that burnham has implemented and was all about pollution .. then why not bring in something like this?

but we know it is about the money.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Im only repeating this so ill stand corrected if its not right but …

i believe milan have really cut pollution by having alternate days when you can drive into the centre, odds and even number plate endings. So if u drive an odd on an even day you get a fine. Its totally encouraged car sharing.
also only certain days when non perishable goods can be delivered.

so if it wasnt a tax that burnham has implemented and was all about pollution .. then why not bring in something like this?

but we know it is about the money.

I remember seeing about 10 years ago that Rome tried that - it just pushed the vale of used cars up in the area as everyone wanted to own and odd AND an even reg car - so driving volumes were hardly impacted but the Italian equivalent of Swiss Tony had a beano

 

[Bluesince1979]

I remember seeing about 10 years ago that Rome tried that - it just pushed the vale of used cars up in the area as everyone wanted to own and odd AND an even reg car - so driving volumes were hardly impacted but the Italian equivalent of Swiss Tony had a beano

Ha fair enough

 

[bluethrunthru]

Ha fair enough

will be on dating sites - 17 reg Renault seeks 18 reg anything for mutual benefits and travel to work

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

will be on dating sites - 17 reg Renault seeks 18 reg anything for mutual benefits and travel to work

So essentially the point of the measure was to encourage car pooling rather than achieve the wider aim of improving air pollution?

 

[bluethrunthru]

So essentially the point of the measure was to encourage car pooling rather than achieve the wider aim of improving air pollution?

No - the expressed intent was to get folk onto public transport in the hopes they realised it was a viable alternative instead it doubled car ownership - unintended consequences.

For me - a committed motorist - for most towns and cities outside London - if you are going to get that done the best thing is to make public transport cheap and efficient so when the likes of me have the penny drop and realise my neighbour gets an extra half hour in bed - spends a fraction of what I spend to get into and park for work - then passes me stuck in a jam on a cheap clean and efficient bus/tram/train then you make it work. Sadly that requires regulation and nobody is talking about that - so things that are an essential service to gain clean air and meet targets you sign up to in your own back yard are as far away as ever.

Its great setting up a mega factory to produce car batteries but can we charge them? No. I like in a town of approx 12k houses with 4 public charge points. Its all just words.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

No - the expressed intent was to get folk onto public transport in the hopes they realised it was a viable alternative instead it doubled car ownership - unintended consequences.

For me - a committed motorist - for most towns and cities outside London - if you are going to get that done the best thing is to make public transport cheap and efficient so when the likes of me have the penny drop and realise my neighbour gets an extra half hour in bed - spends a fraction of what I spend to get into and park for work - then passes me stuck in a jam on a cheap clean and efficient bus/tram/train then you make it work. Sadly that requires regulation and nobody is talking about that - so things that are an essential service to gain clean air and meet targets you sign up to in your own back yard are as far away as ever.

Its great setting up a mega factory to produce car batteries but can we charge them? No. I like in a town of approx 12k houses with 4 public charge points. Its all just words.

Well if it is the same journey on the same roads a bus isn't likely to be quicker than a car when it stops every few hundred metres (the most efficient use of local bus services).

 

[bluethrunthru]

Well if it is the same journey on the same roads a bus isn't likely to be quicker than a car when it stops every few hundred metres (the most efficient use of local bus services).

But dedicated bus lanes cure that. No cabs no motorcycles just buses and pushbikes and the buses go through - bus stops in layby's so a stationary bus doesn't cause an obstruction