Mancini 'arrogant and vain'

[Anonymous]

This isn't too much muck though surely? Isn't it just the club giving those supporters who can't get their head around the sacking a more realistic view on why the decision had to be made rather than the sanitised official statement which was never going to do anything to help those people understand the decision.

The club has issued their 'official statement' regarding the sacking of Mancini and he is now long gone.
The club need say no more.
To do so hints at panic and a damage limitation exercise (which it is).
The club would now do much better to stop briefing against Mancini and the past and start concentrating on the future.
In terms of PR the club fucked this one up - royally!
Time to move on. Especially for the club.

Spot on and said with all the brevity I can never manage!

What the hell ... i'll give it one last go, but I swear then I'm done with trying to reason with you. :)

If City had stayed silent the narrative would have been "impatient City sack manager for failure to deliver trophy". This wasn't the case. City have gone about putting out there why this wasn't the case. How can a PR fuck up end up with the club being described as one which had no choice but to sack the manager?

The fact you agree with the previous poster that the club panicked and are now doing damage limitation shows how out of touch you are with what the club actually think. I know for a fact that they are happy and relieved that the Mancini saga is over, and although they aren't happy at the way the FA Cup weekend unfolded, they aren't shedding any tears over their own handling of it. This may seem from the outside to be wrong, but then from the outside the first Mancini knew of his imminent departure from the club was Saturday.

 

[taconinja]

Let me guess, those who aren't particularly fussed about Mancini don't think there is too much wrong in the truth behind his sacking being exposed whereas those who unconditionally love the guy are appalled because obviously the club should happily take the hit to its reputation and make sure "Bobby's" reputation remains intact, regardless of what was really going on behind the scenes during his tenure?

To an extent I think you have a point, but I thought his time had come especially after the Southampton loss. That's when I confirmed my belief he had lost the dressing room. I do think there is a moderate deal of confirmation bias, though.

Also, I don't think the club is taking hits to its reputation that weren't inevitably going to happen no matter what.

I am pleased to see the club let us know what was going on behind the scenes and why they felt he had to go. I thought it was pretty obvious that we've not been a happy club for some time but that it might do some good to have the Mancini supporters' club made aware of it. But then that's confirmation bias for you.

That's... not confirmation bias. Confirmation? Yes. Confirmation bias? No.

 

[TGR]

The club has issued their 'official statement' regarding the sacking of Mancini and he is now long gone.
The club need say no more.
To do so hints at panic and a damage limitation exercise (which it is).
The club would now do much better to stop briefing against Mancini and the past and start concentrating on the future.
In terms of PR the club fucked this one up - royally!
Time to move on. Especially for the club.

Spot on and said with all the brevity I can never manage!

What the hell ... i'll give it one last go, but I swear then I'm done with trying to reason with you. :)

If City had stayed silent the narrative would have been "impatient City sack manager for failure to deliver trophy". This wasn't the case. City have gone about putting out there why this wasn't the case. How can a PR fuck up end up with the club being described as one which had no choice but to sack the manager?

The fact you agree with the previous poster that the club panicked and are now doing damage limitation shows how out of touch you are with what the club actually think. I know for a fact that they are happy and relieved that the Mancini saga is over, and although they aren't happy at the way the FA Cup weekend unfolded, they aren't shedding any tears over their own handling of it. This may seem from the outside to be wrong, but then from the outside the first Mancini knew of his imminent departure from the club was Saturday.

if they are happy at the way they have handled this one then God help us as it does not bode well for the future - they should be having an inquest!
However, I agree time to move on - I'm off back to the Cellar!

 

[Lancet Fluke]

To an extent I think you have a point, but I thought his time had come especially after the Southampton loss. That's when I confirmed my belief he had lost the dressing room. I do think there is a moderate deal of confirmation bias, though.

Also, I don't think the club is taking hits to its reputation that weren't inevitably going to happen no matter what.

I am pleased to see the club let us know what was going on behind the scenes and why they felt he had to go. I thought it was pretty obvious that we've not been a happy club for some time but that it might do some good to have the Mancini supporters' club made aware of it. But then that's confirmation bias for you.

That's... not confirmation bias. Confirmation? Yes. Confirmation bias? No.

Isn't it? I was pleased to see Mancini go and have thought for ages that he was alienating people behind the scenes. Isn't the fact that I wholeheartedly support the leak of the information that supports my beliefs a form of confirmation bias? I'm not a confirmation bias expert so I am happy to be corrected.

 

[Anonymous]

The club has issued their 'official statement' regarding the sacking of Mancini and he is now long gone.
The club need say no more.
To do so hints at panic and a damage limitation exercise (which it is).
The club would now do much better to stop briefing against Mancini and the past and start concentrating on the future.
In terms of PR the club fucked this one up - royally!
Time to move on. Especially for the club.

Spot on and said with all the brevity I can never manage!

What the hell ... i'll give it one last go, but I swear then I'm done with trying to reason with you. :)

If City had stayed silent the narrative would have been "impatient City sack manager for failure to deliver trophy". This wasn't the case. City have gone about putting out there why this wasn't the case. How can a PR fuck up end up with the club being described as one which had no choice but to sack the manager?

The fact you agree with the previous poster that the club panicked and are now doing damage limitation shows how out of touch you are with what the club actually think. I know for a fact that they are happy and relieved that the Mancini saga is over, and although they aren't happy at the way the FA Cup weekend unfolded, they aren't shedding any tears over their own handling of it. This may seem from the outside to be wrong, but then from the outside the first Mancini knew of his imminent departure from the club was Saturday.

You should know you can't reason with a fool :)

I don't agree the club panicked so probably ought to have read it properly; I do think it should have been handled differently.

The narrative was always going to be "impatient City" whatever was briefed - or it certainly is within the shite I read and hear (press/radio etc).

They let Mancini hoist himself with his own petard which makes continuing to brief the way they have unnecessary.

At this point you are probably saying "struth, I fucking give up!" so I will say thanks for chatting anyway ;)

 

[levets]

And thus, Billy nails it.

Too many people seeing this through the "Cuddly Old Saint Bob" prism.

He's been happy to use the fucking media all year to suit his agenda. And loads of you fell for it hook line and sinker. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

I've always agreed with you boys around him going. We all know his limitations and his personality issues. I would have still preferred our club to basically say "Look there were issues around behaviour and this did not fit int how we wanted our management to work (yada yada yada) but a a club we fully appreciate the work he has done in bringing the club its first success etc etc etc

The less said is more powerful than what is coming out now. Everybody needs to move on. Mancini has not had his say yet. It can all get a bit messy for the wrong reasons just to satisfy a few egos. At the end of the day he has gone that is a victory for all that had been affected.

It does not shed a good light on the club, then again I'm hoping the owners & the 2 Spaniards are also keeping an eye on the leaks so when the right time comes they may act swiftly there too.

Nobody is coming out of this well, City, The Owners, The Players, The Exec team or Mancini

It's a shame

I agree to a degree, and agree this could get messy if Mancini's camp have a pop back, particularly at the players.

But I think this whole "shambles" thing is being a bit overplayed, and a lot of it is in the minds of fans. We've sacked our manager. It's never clean but it will be yesterday's news in no time. City's name is not going to be damaged by this. Bizarrely the cup defeat made the PR side of this quite a bit easier for City.

It could have been done more smoothly after the last game, as City planned, but I don't think it would have made much difference to people's perceptions.

I agree to a degree, and agree this could get messy if Mancini's camp have a pop back, particularly at the players.
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I guarantee they will have made him sign a non disclosure agreement of some sort

 

[crystal_mais]

I've always agreed with you boys around him going. We all know his limitations and his personality issues. I would have still preferred our club to basically say "Look there were issues around behaviour and this did not fit int how we wanted our management to work (yada yada yada) but a a club we fully appreciate the work he has done in bringing the club its first success etc etc etc

The less said is more powerful than what is coming out now. Everybody needs to move on. Mancini has not had his say yet. It can all get a bit messy for the wrong reasons just to satisfy a few egos. At the end of the day he has gone that is a victory for all that had been affected.

It does not shed a good light on the club, then again I'm hoping the owners & the 2 Spaniards are also keeping an eye on the leaks so when the right time comes they may act swiftly there too.

Nobody is coming out of this well, City, The Owners, The Players, The Exec team or Mancini

It's a shame

I agree to a degree, and agree this could get messy if Mancini's camp have a pop back, particularly at the players.

But I think this whole "shambles" thing is being a bit overplayed, and a lot of it is in the minds of fans. We've sacked our manager. It's never clean but it will be yesterday's news in no time. City's name is not going to be damaged by this. Bizarrely the cup defeat made the PR side of this quite a bit easier for City.

It could have been done more smoothly after the last game, as City planned, but I don't think it would have made much difference to people's perceptions.

I agree to a degree, and agree this could get messy if Mancini's camp have a pop back, particularly at the players.
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I guarantee they will have made him sign a non disclosure agreement of some sort

Hope he has signed an agreement - tha'ts why we should keep the leaks to a minimum. No point getting him to sign one and the knives are out at this end

 

[taconinja]

I am pleased to see the club let us know what was going on behind the scenes and why they felt he had to go. I thought it was pretty obvious that we've not been a happy club for some time but that it might do some good to have the Mancini supporters' club made aware of it. But then that's confirmation bias for you.

That's... not confirmation bias. Confirmation? Yes. Confirmation bias? No.

Isn't it? I was pleased to see Mancini go and have thought for ages that he was alienating people behind the scenes. Isn't the fact that I wholeheartedly support the leak of the information that supports my beliefs a form of confirmation bias? I'm not a confirmation bias expert so I am happy to be corrected.

No, confirmation bias entails taking packets of incomplete and ambiguous information and making inappropriate leaps to confirm what you want to be true. Suspecting Mancini was alienating people (Was this ever in doubt actually?) and having it confirmed is simply confirmation. In fact, it's the opposite of confirmation bias.

Pyramidology is a very good example of confirmation bias. People find all sorts of hidden meanings in the proportions of the pyramids. They already believe that hidden meaning exists, so they go looking for it and shape any analysis to suit their desired outcome. Conspiracy theorists do this, too.

 

[gelly]

How come David Silva is so complementary?

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[Didsbury Dave]

I've always agreed with you boys around him going. We all know his limitations and his personality issues. I would have still preferred our club to basically say "Look there were issues around behaviour and this did not fit int how we wanted our management to work (yada yada yada) but a a club we fully appreciate the work he has done in bringing the club its first success etc etc etc

The less said is more powerful than what is coming out now. Everybody needs to move on. Mancini has not had his say yet. It can all get a bit messy for the wrong reasons just to satisfy a few egos. At the end of the day he has gone that is a victory for all that had been affected.

It does not shed a good light on the club, then again I'm hoping the owners & the 2 Spaniards are also keeping an eye on the leaks so when the right time comes they may act swiftly there too.

Nobody is coming out of this well, City, The Owners, The Players, The Exec team or Mancini

It's a shame

I agree to a degree, and agree this could get messy if Mancini's camp have a pop back, particularly at the players.

But I think this whole "shambles" thing is being a bit overplayed, and a lot of it is in the minds of fans. We've sacked our manager. It's never clean but it will be yesterday's news in no time. City's name is not going to be damaged by this. Bizarrely the cup defeat made the PR side of this quite a bit easier for City.

It could have been done more smoothly after the last game, as City planned, but I don't think it would have made much difference to people's perceptions.

I agree to a degree, and agree this could get messy if Mancini's camp have a pop back, particularly at the players.
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I guarantee they will have made him sign a non disclosure agreement of some sort

Oh yes, but that's why I used "camp". There are ways to get stuff in the media and to keep your hands clean. Happens all the time - like the story from the Belgian national team manager that Vinny Kompany was not happy. Vinny put that story out but kept his hands clean.